.22 AR platform?Clarification?

[MrExel17]

Sup Calguns,

I try to keep this short and please correct me if I'm wrong. I was in a gun store looking at some AR style .22, I ran into the ISSC SCAR clone and Sig522. It was a surprised to be that the mag release did not need a bullet button, and the stock is okay to fold. The workers mentioned that those rules only applied to center-fire (AR~223/556) and not rim fire long-guns (did I say this right and is this a true statement?).

So, I was thinking because these are rim fired ammo. Will the same rules apply to a drop in .22 conversion kit (CMMG) or complete .22 upper on a real AR platform (lower) that allows me to use the mag release and folding stock?

My apologizes for any noob wording, phrases,etc... kinda new to the .22 rules/laws and what have you?

Thanks in advance

[zfields]

Sup Calguns,

I try to keep this short and please correct me if I'm wrong. I was in a gun store looking at some AR style .22, I ran into the ISSC SCAR clone and Sig522. It was a surprised to be that the mag release did not need a bullet button, and the stock is okay to fold. The workers mentioned that those rules only applied to center-fire (AR~223/556) and not rim fire long-guns (did I say this right and is this a true statement?).

So, I was thinking because these are rim fired ammo. Will the same rules apply to a drop in .22 conversion kit (CMMG) or complete .22 upper on a real AR platform (lower) that allows me to use the mag release and folding stock?

My apologizes for any noob wording, phrases,etc... kinda new to the .22 rules/laws and what have you?

Thanks in advance

Grey area.......the lower CAN accept a centerfire upper and mags.

I wouldnt risk it personally.

[CSACANNONEER]

Grey area.......the lower CAN accept a centerfire upper and mags.

I wouldnt risk it personally.

So what if the lower can accept a centerfire bolt action 50BMG upper or a centerfire semi auto uppper or whatever. It's not a grey area. A dedicated rimfire upper on an AR lower makes the firearm a rimfire firearm. Now, a converion kit place in a centerfire semi auto upper might not be the best idea and a few of the 58 DAs might decide to prosecute you for it. But, a dedicated rimfire upper should not be any problem at all.

[Cokebottle]

No gray area at all.
There is no constructive possession aspect of the California semiautomatic rifle ban.

Rimfire are 100% exempt. Minimum OAL is 26".

If the rimfire upper is removed and a centerfire upper is installed, then a bullet button is needed OR it needs to be assembled in a featureless configuration.

Saying that the lower CAN accept a centerfire upper means it needs a BB is the same as saying that because the lower CAN accept an upper with a flash hider means that even if it is featureless it still needs a BB.

Featureless, rimfire, and bolt-action do not require a BB under any circumstances.

[Cokebottle]

Now, a converion kit place in a centerfire semi auto upper might not be the best idea and a few of the 58 DAs might decide to prosecute you for it. But, a dedicated rimfire upper should not be any problem at all.

The conversion kit replaces the bolt.
You can't just take out the .22lr chamber adapter and fire a 5.56 out of it.
It's still a dedicated rimfire.

The first generation dedicated .22lr uppers were still 5.56 uppers with conversion kits. The Evo 2nd gen uppers were the first that could not chamber a 5.56.

[zfields]

So what if the lower can accept a centerfire bolt action 50BMG upper or a centerfire semi auto uppper or whatever. It's not a grey area. A dedicated rimfire upper on an AR lower makes the firearm a rimfire firearm. Now, a converion kit place in a centerfire semi auto upper might not be the best idea and a few of the 58 DAs might decide to prosecute you for it. But, a dedicated rimfire upper should not be any problem at all.

Id rather not test it out with an overzealous LEO, but do what ya want : )

[CSACANNONEER]

Id rather not test it out with an overzealous LEO, but do what ya want : )

No problem, I've had a milspec lower with a Bushmaster dedicated .22lr upper on it for several years now. It does not have a mag lock of any kind. It does have a 4 position stock and pistol grip on it. In the last 4 years, I haven't had a single issue with it being 100% legal. Then again, an overzealous LEO has pulled me over for drinking diet cola before. Sometimes I'm scared to walk down the street wearing any type of professional team clothing, an overzealous LEO might not like how it looks and arrest me for "wearing gang colors". Anyway, I do agree with not doing anything you are not comfortable with. But, please don't call it a grey area when there is no such thing. It is either legal or not according to the letter of the law. In this case, it is perfectly legal and has been proven so many times over.

[Cokebottle]

Id rather not test it out with an overzealous LEO, but do what ya want : )

And you are more than welcome to transport your gun in a locked container with the ammo in a separate locked container and the magazines empty and in their own locked container, all locked in your trunk.

Because you aren't comfortable with it does not make it a legal requirement.
Such is the true definition and origin of "FUD" and part of the reason that Calguns exists is to dispel FUD.

There are things that I don't do, even though I know they are 100% legal, simply because at this time, those things will draw unwanted attention and drama.
Everyone has their own limits... but unless it is clearly codified by law, I don't advise people that is is the law "because ______" as you did.
I simply state that it may be legal but I am not comfortable with it (such as UOC).

[zfields]

And you are more than welcome to transport your gun in a locked container with the ammo in a separate locked container and the magazines empty and in their own locked container, all locked in your trunk.

Because you aren't comfortable with it does not make it a legal requirement.
Such is the true definition and origin of "FUD" and part of the reason that Calguns exists is to dispel FUD.

There are things that I don't do, even though I know they are 100% legal, simply because at this time, those things will draw unwanted attention and drama.
Everyone has their own limits... but unless it is clearly codified by law, I don't advise people that is is the law "because ______" as you did.
I simply state that it may be legal but I am not comfortable with it (such as UOC).

Did I ever say it was law? No.

[Cokebottle]

Grey area.......the lower CAN accept a centerfire upper and mags.

Did I ever say it was law? No.

The implication was there.

[CSACANNONEER]

Did I ever say it was law? No.

You did call it a "grey area". Although we both know that there is no such thing, those who don't understand how the law is written and works might be mislead into thinking that you implied it was not 100% legal. Well, it is.

[MrExel17]

Calguns,

Thanks for all the feedback, I have taken a lot from this post regarding the .22 setup and respect all comments. Much appreciated