Not really getting the idea behind the HP22A

[jackandblood]

by Phoenix Arms. If its mfg. with materials that cant handle hyper velocity rounds, it's squandering all the advances in primer/propellant tech that allows velocitors, aguila supermax and stingers. If it's a target pistol, why make it so small, why is the base model a 3 " barrel with no purchase for the pinky finger?

I really like how the thing looks, and even with the optional 5" barrel and pinky mag it's very small and a looker.

If it came with interchangeable 4 or 6" barrel, same aesthetics, better alloys, able to handle hot rounds, and without the ironically dangerous safety features..

(having a bunch of redundant safeties just makes it more dangerous at the range, most people will be trying to figure out what does what and in what order while having no muzzle discipline, gun pointed sideways into other lanes)

...it'd be a contender at maybe a ~$230 price point. And with it's good looks I think it would do well.

[RickyB]

I ordered the Deluxe Rangemaster kit from Woodbury's for $164.00 + shipping. Two days later they told me they were out of 'em-----I kept my order open for three more days, then cancelled it, after doing some research on them. Gonna go with the $250-ish Ruger 22/45 next month instead.....

[Izzy43]

That pistol is targeted at a specific price point and so its mostly junk from what I have read. Cracking frames. Not many inexpensive pistols are designed for hyper velocity .22 ammo.

Hyper velocity ammo tends to be less accurate out of any .22 when compared to standard velocity. You'll not find any serious target shooters using hyper velocity ammo. If all one has is a .22 pistol for self defense then the hyper velocity ammo might be the round of choice in hollow point form. I don't see a practical use for it otherwise except it makes more noise.

[Izzy43]

I ordered the Deluxe Rangemaster kit from Woodbury's for $164.00 + shipping. Two days later they told me they were out of 'em-----I kept my order open for three more days, then cancelled it, after doing some research on them. Gonna go with the $250-ish Ruger 22/45 next month instead.....

Smart, very smart. You will not be disappointed and the price difference will fade almost immediately.

[Ripon83]

Agree its about price point and size. Now I don't know who'd want to keep a gun in their pocket in this day and age, but its about the size...

[RickyB]

Smart, very smart. You will not be disappointed and the price difference will fade almost immediately.

Yeah, I think you're right. Figuring just the insured postge at least three different times to Ontario for repairs and it'll be a fricken wash......

[jackandblood]

ya thats my point. if its going for target shooting ( i assume that means accuracy) why make it like it's meant for CCW holders? Conversely, why not get quality and materials going so it can do the hot stuff. As as defense weapon, legitimate velocities can be had with the hyper loads out of a still pretty compact 6" barrel, and zero recoil counts for something too.

It's got nice lines and aesthetics. But it fills no niche I can see. Its not a trainer for a higher caliber handgun, its potential as a backup weapon or CCW holder is limited by its pot metal construction, and it's no target pistol, at least not in it's standard 3" bbl no pinky form. I guess in 5" bbl pinky mag it could be a shooter, but given what's said about it's build quality I wonder if it has the accuracy to not become the limiting factor. Otherwise one would get bored of it quick if they are out-shooting it.

That pistol is targeted at a specific price point and so its mostly junk from what I have read. Cracking frames. Not many inexpensive pistols are designed for hyper velocity .22 ammo.

Hyper velocity ammo tends to be less accurate out of any .22 when compared to standard velocity. You'll not find any serious target shooters using hyper velocity ammo. If all one has is a .22 pistol for self defense then the hyper velocity ammo might be the round of choice in hollow point form. I don't see a practical use for it otherwise except it makes more noise.

[iareConfusE]

It's just a plinking gun, don't over think it. It wasn't meant to serve any particular purpose, despite what their marketing department tells you. It's pot metal to keep the cost down, so that you can buy the gun and not feel guilty about abusing it and breaking it. Honestly, the guilt free aspect of the gun is what makes it attractive to me, no that it serves as a valid CCW option or an accurate target pistol... That's what centerfire handguns are for.

[andy75]

hp22A

For the price it is a great gun, It feel solid, heavy in hand. and It is fun to plink. I had my for a while 13 years, so I got my money out of it.

[Ibgreezy]

I love my HP22, it was inexpensive and cheap to shoot. Ive only got around 300 rounds through it, no problems yet. I wouldnt trust it to stop a bad guy though.

[jackandblood]

Like the NAA micro revolvers, 22lr. fired accurately, low velocity, may or may not get it done. For both guns I firmly believe in incorporating some form of spring assists folding bayonet. My superficial jackassery makes me want one of these in 5"bbl. Turners has some on "sale" but we all know in many cases Turner's "sale" just means they have them in stock and are not really much of a bargain. I haven't explored some of the great shops outside of the Big5 and Turners chain. Any recommendations in the Pomona Area?

[Homebrew2]

... Not really getting the idea behind the HP22A ...

I can only suggest that you lookup the "Ring of Fire". It made no real diff what the gun, itself, was or wasn't to me, I needed to be a part of the Ring.

Fortunately/unfortunately, after 1k HV rounds it is a coveted possession. Short barrel, short mag, bad right eye ... it hits 12" steel at 85 yards 8/10 times when I can hold it still enough.

I do believe that it was designed and manufactured for a singular purpose and that it is probably pretty well suited for such.

[joeyant]

by Phoenix Arms. If its mfg. with materials that cant handle hyper velocity rounds, it's squandering all the advances in primer/propellant tech that allows velocitors, aguila supermax and stingers. If it's a target pistol, why make it so small, why is the base model a 3 " barrel with no purchase for the pinky finger?

I really like how the thing looks, and even with the optional 5" barrel and pinky mag it's very small and a looker.

If it came with interchangeable 4 or 6" barrel, same aesthetics, better alloys, able to handle hot rounds, and without the ironically dangerous safety features..

(having a bunch of redundant safeties just makes it more dangerous at the range, most people will be trying to figure out what does what and in what order while having no muzzle discipline, gun pointed sideways into other lanes)

...it'd be a contender at maybe a ~$230 price point. And with it's good looks I think it would do well.

Not really getting the idea behind the HP22A

Nor really getting the idea behind people like you who don't own one, never fired one, and yet proceed to ***** and moan about a gun they have ZERO personal knowledge and experience about.

mfg. with materials that cant handle hyper velocity rounds

Do you have a letter from Phoenix Arms authorizing you to use hypervelo rounds? Use them at your own risk! Oh wait, you don't own an HP22. So how would you know? I fire hypervelo rounds from time to time for kicks and never had any misfire. All they do is make a lot of noise but accuracy is like your opinion--worthless.

having a bunch of redundant safeties just makes it more dangerous

It took me less than 5 minutes to snip two small metal edges after removing the grip and the gun behaves just like a 1911 or any other single action auto out there. Even fires with the magazine removed. I can lock the slide in the open position and still eject the magazine. Again, how would you know? That's right. You don't own one. So please leave the expert opinions to people like us who actually own one and enjoy plinking with it.

it'd be a contender at maybe a ~$230 price point

I don't know what world you live in but it is obviously a retailer's wet dream come true. I got mine for 115 bucks. Ordered a 5 inch extra barrel and extra mag with extended lip for 35 bucks. Installed a Hogue Handall grip for 10 bucks.

I really like how the thing looks, and even with the optional 5" barrel and pinky mag it's very small and a looker

About the only thing you said worth repeating.

[Homebrew2]

ETA my previous post: http://www.calgunlawyers.com/Davis_&...g_of_Fire.html
Read the item "ABOUT “THE RING OF FIRE” LOGO"

[jackandblood]

wow. anger. I haven't shot one. I want to, I thought they looked awesome ever since I first saw one. Was kinda bummed they dont shoot the hyper velocity rounds. Just cause. I think I was asking questions not criticizing. yep. well, keep on trucking or something.

Not really getting the idea behind the HP22A

Nor really getting the idea behind people like you who don't own one, never fired one, and yet proceed to ***** and moan about a gun they have ZERO personal knowledge and experience about.

mfg. with materials that cant handle hyper velocity rounds

Do you have a letter from Phoenix Arms authorizing you to use hypervelo rounds? Use them at your own risk! Oh wait, you don't own an HP22. So how would you know? I fire hypervelo rounds from time to time for kicks and never had any misfire. All they do is make a lot of noise but accuracy is like your opinion--worthless.

having a bunch of redundant safeties just makes it more dangerous

It took me less than 5 minutes to snip two small metal edges after removing the grip and the gun behaves just like a 1911 or any other single action auto out there. Even fires with the magazine removed. I can lock the slide in the open position and still eject the magazine. Again, how would you know? That's right. You don't own one. So please leave the expert opinions to people like us who actually own one and enjoy plinking with it.

it'd be a contender at maybe a ~$230 price point

I don't know what world you live in but it is obviously a retailer's wet dream come true. I got mine for 115 bucks. Ordered a 5 inch extra barrel and extra mag with extended lip for 35 bucks. Installed a Hogue Handall grip for 10 bucks.

I really like how the thing looks, and even with the optional 5" barrel and pinky mag it's very small and a looker

About the only thing you said worth repeating.