Appleseed Shoot

[Sionadi]

10/22 with tech sights and a sling. My dad bought me this and thats what i used when i went http://www.eabco.com/m1_carbine_ruger_1022_tribute.htm

[jumpthestack]

I shot a recent Appleseed with a .22 AR with iron sights. About 80% of the other shooters used a scope. And the most common rifle was a 10/22.

Unfortunately for me my scores suffered considerably due to my choice to use standard sights. Since they issue rifleman patches to simply the highest scorers, I was out of the running due to the advantage the scoped shooters had.

I wish they had two classes, scoped and irons and each class was scored independently.

They don't issue Rifleman patches to the highest scorers based on ranking. You have to score a 210 (or 215, I can't remember) on the AQT, regardless of your equipment, and regardless of what anyone else scores.

At least that's how they ran the one I went to in Castro Valley, and my understanding is that's the standard procedure.

Plenty of people have made it with irons. But don't worry about making Rifleman. Do the best you can for training whatever your end goal is.

And for anyone complaining about scope people not keepin' it real, don't complain unless you were using the iron sights on your centerfire rifle.

[sfoan]

I used a Yugo SKS, iron sights only, during my Appleseed shoot. It was a little disconcerting watching other individuals scoring well with their scoped 22's. I would say, if you want to learn how to shoot a rifle properly and really get to know your rifle, use a centerfire rifle, using strictly iron sights. If you want to score well, and strictly go for the goal of getting 'rifleman' then use a scoped 22. Just my personal opinion.

[surfNshoot]

I say for the money. Go with a marlin 795 with Tech-Sights and a GI sling. The extra sight radius you will get out of it over an AR.22 will be a great help.

[Knauga]

The appleseed website has a description of their course of fire. They also have an FAQ about the events, suggestions on what to bring, etc

I think it is $70 for the 2 day event in Corona.

I went to the June AS in Corona. It was a good time. The first day is a little frustrating (at least it was for me). You get a ton of info dumped on you and not a lot of time to get comfortable with it. Don't worry, on day two you will have plenty of time to get comfortable with everything. You spend the entire day shooting AQTs.

I would recommend a 22, I shot mine with an AR. For what I spent in 223 (Reloads even) I could have bought a 22 rifle and ammo. I have since bought a 22 and ammo. They recommend iron sights, but welcome optics too. You are shooting at 25 meters, optics don't make that much of a difference. The important thing is getting your trigger control, sight picture etc down, the scores will come. I was amazed at the difference in my accuracy in just the first few minutes.

Shooting Rifleman is a set score, not the highest scores of the day. Whoever shoots a Rifleman score, gets a patch.

As for what you should bring: at lest 2 mags, staple gun/staples, a chair, a pad, sunscreen, lunch/snacks, water, water, water, maybe some shade and $40. Raahauge's charges $20 per day on top of the AS $70 costs.

I had a great time, I haven't been able to get to another one yet as it has been a very busy summer. Hope to get to another one soon!

[Knauga]

I used a Yugo SKS, iron sights only, during my Appleseed shoot. It was a little disconcerting watching other individuals scoring well with their scoped 22's. I would say, if you want to learn how to shoot a rifle properly and really get to know your rifle, use a centerfire rifle, using strictly iron sights. If you want to score well, and strictly go for the goal of getting 'rifleman' then use a scoped 22. Just my personal opinion.

Yes to the iron sights. You are better served by using a 22 to hone the skills as they translate to other rifles because what is being taught will work the same whether you are using a 22 or a 308. The real difference is $20 worth of 22 compared to a couple hundred bucks of centerfire ammo.

You are really only shooting against yourself. If you are comfortable with iron sights, great, if you need a scope, great.

[Mac Attack]

I plan to sign up for the event the weekend of 9/25. I just need to wait till my next pay period which happens to be tomorrow . I plan to shoot my M44US in .22LR. I will bring my Mossberg Model 81 as a backup rifle... I just need to find sling fasteners first.

[surfNshoot]

Good luck with the M44us. I tried and almost made rifleman with my m44us (4 points short) I kept panicing on time. I ended up having to use my scoped 10/22 to make rifleman. My suggestion before you go is practice working the bolt without losing you cheek welt. I hope you can do it. I really wanted to be able to say I did it with an old bolt action. GOOD LUCK!!!

I plan to sign up for the event the weekend of 9/25. I just need to wait till my next pay period which happens to be tomorrow . I plan to shoot my M44US in .22LR. I will bring my Mossberg Model 81 as a backup rifle... I just need to find sling fasteners first.

[Kestryll]

I say for the money. Go with a marlin 795 with Tech-Sights and a GI sling. The extra sight radius you will get out of it over an AR.22 will be a great help.

The Tech-Sight looks cool, I'd put one on my 10/22 but I'd lose the ability to to mount optics.

I'd really like to see Tech-Sights make a sight that extended the current mounting 'tab' in to a full rail so we could have the option of using the Tech-Sight and an optic.

[Mac Attack]

Good luck with the M44us. I tried and almost made rifleman with my m44us (4 points short) I kept panicing on time. I ended up having to use my scoped 10/22 to make rifleman. My suggestion before you go is practice working the bolt without losing you cheek welt. I hope you can do it. I really wanted to be able to say I did it with an old bolt action. GOOD LUCK!!!

That's my worry about having to loose my cheek weld. I can operate the bolt without removing my cheek but it's awkward and I actually spend more time getting back on target than I would if I just dropped my rifle, worked the action then got back on target. Part of me just wants to learn how to shoot better but I will be honest with you when I say that another part of me wants the Rifleman designation badly.

I would use my scoped 10/22 but I offered it up to a friend of mine who will be attending with me. I actually feel it would not be as challenging to use a scope, like cheating... but I haven't been to an event so I cannot be for certain.

Do they allow tube feed rifles? I may end up using my tube feed Mossberg 81 which holds 16 rounds. I really do want to use my 44, but I only have 3 mags and doubt I will find any before 9/25 and work out all their bugs.

[saber]

From their FAQ there appears to be a magazine change requirement. I'm not sure how that applies to tube fed rifles.

They say on their website that they don't recommend tube fed rifles.

But it seems to me that any rifle will do and I don't imagine them turning anyone away.

[pennys dad]

I would use the M&P 15-22

I'm thinking about doing an Appleseed shoot and was considering what rifle to use since you can use 22's.

I have an M&P 15-22, a Ruger 10/22, and a Marlin 795.

I have done some searching and seen that a lot of information about shooting an Appleseed with a Ruger 10/22. Has anyone shot an Appleseed with an M&P 15-22?

[Mac Attack]

Question for the guys who have shot Appleseed.

On the Appleseed website it recommends that you have your rifle sighted in for 25 meters. Further down on the page it then recommends that rifles be zeroed at 200 yards, or sighted in to group at 3" high at 100 yards. Which is it?

See bolt text below

http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_prepare.html

Rifle specific preparations

Rifle preferably zeroed for 25 meters4. Again, be prepared. You should function-test your rifle and, if possible, have it zeroed for 200 yards; but if you don't or can't, adjust your sights so your group prints 3" above point of aim at 100 yds, and mark your sights with paint, magic marker, or fingernail polish. Doing so will leave you properly sighted for the 25m AQT.

[G-forceJunkie]

If your going to be shooting a centerfire at the long ranges, they want the 200 yard zero. But the thing is, on a centerfire rifle, the 25 and 200 yard zero are about the same. How? The bullet crosses your zero at 25 on its upward arc, and then comes back down to your zero at 200 on its downward arc. Naturally there are many variables, but its generally in the ballpark. For .22LR, zero at 25 meters. For example, and AR-15 in .223 zeroed at 200 yards, the bullet will have the same amount of drop (bout 4-5 inches high) at around 30 yards and 190 yards. I think the whole idea for Appleseed wanting you to have a "zeroed" rifle is so that it is on paper and close, they will help with the fine tuning.

[BrianRodela]

For those who are going, I went yesterday at a Place to Shoot in Saugus. Very well done and if you pay attention to the techniques they teach, you will improve your abilities with a rifle. Best advice to prevent panic is to make sure your magazines fall out easily when changing. It's added stress when you have to pull it out and reset your position. The organizers at this event had a rifle I could use while my Son used our tricked out 10-22. Even though the trigger was very stiff and havent shot the rifle before, I scored a 172 with Tech Sights. They really encourage kids to participate and pass on the tradition. All in all, two thumbs up.