Bullseye Pistol recommendation

[RickD6023]

I just got hooked into bullseye pistol shooting. I was loaned a S&W mod41 and I was immediately hooked.. I know that it is a quality gun but a bit too pricey for me on entry to the hobby. Anyone have experience with the mod22A? Given the choice of a Ruger 22/45, Ruger MkIII, Beretta U22 NEOS, and the S&W mod 22A - what is your choice?

[trickyvic]

MKIII.

[cyberhh]

My Buckmark out preforms me, but I bought a Ruger Mk3 target because I like the grip of it better. I am afraid to try the mod41 because it is expensive and I do not want to "have to have one". I would be interested in what the rest of CG has to say.

[j1133s]

I've shot the beretta and S&W models you listed, and based on the pistols I've shot, I do not recommend them for bullseye. In bullseye, you should try to buy as many points as possible. So, instead of buying a cheap pistol, see if any shooters will lend you their spare gun or sell you something.

[j1133s]

My Buckmark out preforms me, but I bought a Ruger Mk3 target because I like the grip of it better. I am afraid to try the mod41 because it is expensive and I do not want to "have to have one". I would be interested in what the rest of CG has to say.

I can never understand the phrase "outperforming the shooter" because it makes no sense.

If you have a gun that shoots 2" groups and you have a 3" wobble, then you can shoot 5" groups. If you then use a gun that shoots 1" groups, then you've immediately "improved" into a 4" group shooter. So wen a shooter says "this gun outperforms me so I don't need to change it", does it make any sense?

I'm not a good bullseye shooter, but I've played the game a few times. And it is a game where your gun's accuracy is a really important component in the score.

[mikengracie]

Should have listed the Model 41 and or a choice for other.

None of the guns listed, imho, will hold up shooting Bulleye matches. Not reliable enough or accurate enough except maybe the Ruger Why didn't you list the 41. Except for exotics or customs the 41 is a real shooter.

And yes the gun can out perform the shooter. I have shot bench rest and if you get a zero tolerance barrel the capabilities to shoot holes exist. If the shooter can do their job. Which in most cases the error belongs to the shooter not the firearm. In Bullseye a lot of guns are capable to shoot perfect scores but it the shooter that determines the hold and the shot. Any mistake and there goes your score.

[Black_Talon]

Should have listed the Model 41 and or a choice for other.

None of the guns listed, imho, will hold up shooting Bullseye matches. Not reliable enough or accurate enough except maybe the Ruger Why didn't you list the 41? Except for exotics or customs the 41 is a real shooter.

Exactly what he said^

[RickD6023]

Didn't list the 41 for a few reasons:

1. the 41 is the go-to 22 and used by the pros so I'm aware of it
2. I've shot the 41 and know how it performs in my hand
3. the 41 may very well be outside my price range right now

So, I was fishing for some input on other 22s to aid me in my decision process.

[SDJim]

I've used a MK III 22/45 with a Volquartsen trigger for about 3 years shooting BE Pistol. My best score has been a 96/100 @ 50 yds with 4T-X's, 5-10's and my 7th shot was a pulled 6. The only thing I don't like about it is the grips are a little two narrow and short of milling molded grips flat, drilling and epoxying in .45 grip screw bushings your limited in what grips you can use. With the new MK III's, you won't have that restriction any more. Once you learn the nuisances of breaking down the MK III, it will serve you well.

[j1133s]

Didn't list the 41 for a few reasons:

1. the 41 is the go-to 22 and used by the pros so I'm aware of it
2. I've shot the 41 and know how it performs in my hand
3. the 41 may very well be outside my price range right now

So, I was fishing for some input on other 22s to aid me in my decision process.

Also what are you doing for .45? I mean an accurate .45 is going to be definitely more expensive than a .22 and you also need reloading equipment.

I only shot 5 matches and for the 22 started w/ an iron sighted 7" M41 and ended with red dot 5.5" M41. During my 5 matches, I saw improvement at every match, and I was trying really hard to break a personal goal of 560 on each caliber (later revised to any caliber . I sank $2k into new equipment (given that I already owned a 7" M41 and 1.5" 1911) and quit after I stopped reloading and my CF/.45 scores took a dive. (Never got above 560. I can almost see 560, I started at just over 500 and ended at 558.)

If M41 is too expensive, maybe you should wait a bit before shooting bullseye matches. Practice outside the match as bullseye is very easy to practicejust by yourself until you saved enough money fro good equipment. I don't mean to offend, just laying it out for you.

As for a gun "outshooting" the shooter... I guess if your gun is 0 MOA then I suppose that it'll "out shoot" you unless you're dead. Otherwise, it still makes no sense.

[mikengracie]

Nothing wrong with starting with a Ruger MKII. Note I said MKII. A 5.5" or a 6 7/8 slabside competition target or Gov't target. There are two shooters that have shot 600's with Ruger MKII's in the models I listed. I also have both those models but shoot the 41 much better and it has been more reliable. $300-$400 for the MKII maybe nib.

[mikengracie]

If you put the gun in a shooting vise it will easily score higher than you shooting it without the vise. Thats how the gun is capable of out shooting the shooter.

[CalNRA]

for a 25 yard bullseye, the Rugers are fine, but their groups open up past that distance. I was frustrated that my 25 yard groups were in the 2 inch range but it was terrible at 50 yards.

Then the nice Asian gentleman next to me let me try his high standard 22 and the groups shrank dramatically.

I don't know what it is about Rugers but all of them I tried did that.

[shrap]

If you put the gun in a shooting vise it will easily score higher than you shooting it without the vise. Thats how the gun is capable of out shooting the shooter.

Can you describe a situation where this is not true?

[zman]

How about the 1911 Kimbers? Anybody use them for Bullseye competition?

Model Gun Type Barrel Length Caliber Exp Date
Rimfire Super / Lightweight Alloy Pistol 5" .22 LR 11/8/2010
Rimfire Target II Black / Lightweight Alloy Pistol 5" .22 LR 9/8/2010
Rimfire Target Silver / Lightweight Alloy Pistol 5" .22 LR 8/27/2010