Tacticool Trainers ?

[Check Six]

How many of you who purchased a .22 tacticool rifle (GSG, AR, AK) own a semi-auto .223 or 7.62 version ? Did you buy it as a low cost alternative trainer ?

I have an AR 15 and wanted the Colt M4 as a trainer due to cost of ammo. I decided on a complete rifle rather than a conversion unit or dedicated upper and was thrilled when Colt and S&W offered their rifles for sale.

[Jicko]

It is just not the same.... shooting .22lr vs .223/5.56.... especially for followup shots, hammer drills, control pairs etc...

[Gator Monroe]

WASR 22 = easy way to learn AK/AKM platform .

[Q]

WASR 22 = easy way to learn AK/AKM platform .

I have a feeling there will be $250 wasr22s again soon..

[CFV]

I have a feeling there will be $250 wasr22s again soon..

Really interested in a wasr 22. How hard are they find now a days and what do they go for. What about the gsg ak22 version, how does that compare in feel and quality.

[Gator Monroe]

Really interested in a wasr 22. How hard are they find now a days and what do they go for. What about the gsg ak22 version, how does that compare in feel and quality.

GSG is only a couple of notches above an Armscor (And WASR 22 is a Rimfire AKM).

[Flogger23m]

Really interested in a wasr 22. How hard are they find now a days and what do they go for. What about the gsg ak22 version, how does that compare in feel and quality.

Doesn't feel or even look the same as an AK. Completely different.


I want to get a Saiga .22 if they ever come out with one, and I am sure they will eventually. This way I can shoot cheap ammo and use a pistol grip.

[CSACANNONEER]

Doesn't feel or even look the same as an AK. Completely different.


I want to get a Saiga .22 if they ever come out with one, and I am sure they will eventually. This way I can shoot cheap ammo and use a pistol grip.

The WASR22 is a 100% real AK.


The GSG is a rifle that sort of resembles an AK a little bit, if you look hard, you'll see it, maybe? I like my GSG5 because, short of a very expensive MP% & .22lr conversion kit, there's nothing else like it. But, I can't see the reason to get a GSG47 since there are real .22lr AKs out there for the same price or cheaper!

[yasushi]

Can WASR-22 be converted to shoot centerfire rounds then? Say swapping a barrel and other associated parts?? Not that I wan to do try it but just wondering....

[CSACANNONEER]

Can WASR-22 be converted to shoot centerfire rounds then? Say swapping a barrel and other associated parts?? Not that I wan to do try it but just wondering....

They probably could be but, WHY? It would be cheaper and easier to just buy or build a centerfire rifle and keep the .22lr together. I'm assuming that you really have no idea how much work it takes to replace an AK barrel. It's not like an AR15 barrel! You would need to grind out a bunch of rivets, have a 12T press available, get the right barrel pin jigs and rivet jigs, etc. It would be easier to build an AK from a parts kit and a flat than to try to convert a WASR22. But, it could be done.

[Flogger23m]

The WASR22 is a 100% real AK.


The GSG is a rifle that sort of resembles an AK a little bit, if you look hard, you'll see it, maybe? I like my GSG5 because, short of a very expensive MP% & .22lr conversion kit, there's nothing else like it. But, I can't see the reason to get a GSG47 since there are real .22lr AKs out there for the same price or cheaper!

Sorry, I was talking about the GSG AK.

I know the WASR is the real deal.

[Gator Monroe]

Can WASR-22 be converted to shoot centerfire rounds then? Say swapping a barrel and other associated parts?? Not that I wan to do try it but just wondering....

Yes , it's kinda like a Kit to start with if need be ...

[brassburnz]

How many of you who purchased a .22 tacticool rifle (GSG, AR, AK) own a semi-auto .223 or 7.62 version ? Did you buy it as a low cost alternative trainer ?

I have an AR 15 and wanted the Colt M4 as a trainer due to cost of ammo. I decided on a complete rifle rather than a conversion unit or dedicated upper and was thrilled when Colt and S&W offered their rifles for sale.

I have several AR's, including an M4gery in .223 from Olympic Arms/Stag. I've had my Umarex/Colt M4 for a little over a month and had a chance to shoot it quite a bit. I finally got it dialed in for shooting standard velocity target ammo, and it is very accurate. Sub 1-inch groups at 50 yards are easily attainable although I think 0.5 inch groups are possible with a better trigger. My 10/22T will outshoot the M4, but then it should.

If I was making a selection today, I would purchase a dedicated upper like a Tactical Solutions, Spikes Tactical, or Model 1 Sales. The M4 is not an AR, although it looks like one. There are enough operational differences to make me look elsewhere. I would get a "mullti-caliber" or "No caliber" marked lower and mate that to a dedicated upper. All of the AR accessories and upgrades for the lower and the upper should work

This is a 5-shot group at 50 yards using a 3-9X40 Leupold scope and a Harris bipod attached to the handguard. 4-shots are in a tight cluster with a flyer. The 4 shots are 3/8 inch center to center.
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I haven't seen the S & W, but there are some good posts on RimfireCentral.com. It is closer to an actual AR than the Umarex M4. At least the lower is configured more like an AR although it is polymer and prices I've seen are in the $450 range.

[dchang0]

I built my Spike's .22LR as a trainer. It's been a little disappointing, because the manual of arms is just too different. The bolt catch doesn't work (I have heard that it also doesn't work on the Colt), and the charging handle only pulls back halfway.

I can deal with the low recoil not giving me practice with recoil management, because the trade-off is that I can focus on building my fundamentals without developing bad habits like flinching, etc.

And the low-cost ammo means I can get plenty of trigger time at practice without breaking the bank.

Would I recommend a .22LR AR for TACTICAL training only? No. For general all-purpose training including rifleman/long-range AND tactical training? Yes.

[bohoki]

this flood of assult* .22s are making me sick to my stomach they disgust me




(*contraction of assault insult)