18 with hunting license questions

[Toeknee]

I went to turners today to buy a semi automatic Tippmann arms m4-22, It was on sale for a pretty good deal and I said I wanted to put a deposit on it, The turners employee who was helping me then asked his coworker a question which I think was "Is he allowed to buy this ?" the coworker then said No and that I'm limited to only Bolt action or Pump action Long guns ?? Which makes no sense since it says almost no where that I'm only limited to these firearm actions ? I know I am limited to only rimfire and shotguns but I dont believe those limitations apply to the action ? Correct me if I'm wrong thank you. I've also done my own research and can not find absolutely anything saying that I'm not allowed to buy a semi automatic rimfire rifle.

[TKM]

Proprietary mags, you're better off.

Get a CMMG AR adapter.

Turning to Turners employees for legal advice works as well as paying your psychic for winning lottery numbers. YMMV but not much.

[SkyHawk]

Turners was wrong

You are correct.

A valid CA hunting license allows a CA FFL dealer to transfer (all action types) shotguns, (all action types) rimfire rifles, manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating centerfire rifles, and manually operated (break-open, bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) single-shot centerfire rifles to a non-prohibited person age 18-20. [PC 27510(b)(1)]



Penal Code 27510
(a) A person licensed under Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, shall not sell, supply, deliver, or give possession or control of a firearm to any person who is under 21 years of age.
(b)(1) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect the sale, supplying, delivery, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun or a semiautomatic centerfire rifle to a person 18 years of age or older who possesses a valid, unexpired hunting license issued by the Department of Fish and Wildlife.
(2) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect the sale, supplying, delivery, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun or a semiautomatic centerfire rifle to a person who is 18 years of age or older and provides proper identification of being an honorably discharged member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or the active reserve components of the United States. For purposes of this subparagraph, proper identification includes an Armed Forces Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an honorably discharged member
(3) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect the sale, supplying, delivery, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun to any of the following persons who are 18 years of age or older:
(A) An active peace officer, as described in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of employment.
(B) An active federal officer or law enforcement agent who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of employment.
(C) A reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of employment as a reserve peace officer.
(D) A person who provides proper identification of active membership in the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or active reserve components of the United States. For purposes of this subparagraph, proper identification includes an Armed Forces Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an active member.

[Toeknee]

Proprietary mags, you're better off.

Get a CMMG AR adapter.

Turning to Turners employees for legal advice works as well as paying your psychic for winning lottery numbers. YMMV but not much.

I would if I could the kit is awesome but unfortunately I am restricted with semi auto centerfire rifles, I can't even purchase a lower even if I were to build into a rimfire.

[Toeknee]

Thank you for this information !

[edgerly779]

Which turners and why hide your location. Typical newbie. Someone could send copy of pc to them f they can read english.

[Toeknee]

Turners was indeed wrong went back with the info you gave me and showed the manager. Got the rifle I wanted about 20 mins later lol

[Oceanbob]

[MyOdessa]

Turners was indeed wrong went back with the info you gave me and showed the manager. Got the rifle I wanted about 20 mins later lol

Good job.

[golfish]

Can my son who is 19, has a hunting license, buy a semi auto long gun? And does he need the FSC too ?

It seems like the hunting license blows away the FSC as far as safety training goes.

In this thread, skyhawk says that he needs a FSC but really didn't address the hunting license. I guess California just wants you to spend that extra money..

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1729810&highlight=Hunting+License

Sorry, I didn't realize this was in the rimfire forum. I'll ask in the General forum.

[Quiet]

Can my son who is 19, has a hunting license, buy a semi auto long gun? And does he need the FSC too ?

It seems like the hunting license blows away the FSC as far as safety training goes.

CA laws requires a person to have a FSC in order to legally acquire a firearm in CA. [PC 31615(a)(1)]
CA laws provides an exemption to this if the firearm is not a handgun and the person has a valid CA hunting license. [PC 31700(c)]

Federal laws prohibits a FFL from transferring a firearm to a person under the age of 21. [18 USC 922(b)(1)]
Federal laws provides an exemption to this if the person is age 18-20 and the firearm is a Title 1 Rifle or Title 1 Shotgun.

CA laws prohibits a CA FFL dealer from transferring a firearm to a person under the age of 21. [PC 27510(a)]
CA laws provides an exemption to this if the person is age 18-20 and has a valid CA hunting license and the firearm is a shotgun or a rifle that is not a semi-auto centerfire rifle. [PC 27510(b)(1)]

Which means...

A person age 18-20 with a valid CA hunting license can legally acquire the following from a CA FFL dealer:
A. Single-shot shotgun.
B. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating shotgun.
C. Semi-auto shotgun.
D. Single-shot rimfire rifle.
E. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating rimfire rifle.
F. Semi-auto rimfire rifle.
G. Single-shot centerfire rifle.
H. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating centerfire rifle.


Therefore...

Your 19 year old son with a valid CA hunting license can legally acquire a semi-auto rimfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun from a CA FFL dealer.

Your 19 year old son with a valid CA hunting license can not legally acquire a semi-auto centerfire rifle or a semi-auto other firearm or a semi-auto handgun from a CA FFL dealer.

[MyOdessa]

CA laws requires a person to have a FSC in order to legally acquire a firearm in CA. [PC 31615(a)(1)]
CA laws provides an exemption to this if the firearm is not a handgun and the person has a valid CA hunting license. [PC 31700(c)]

Federal laws prohibits a FFL from transferring a firearm to a person under the age of 21. [18 USC 922(b)(1)]
Federal laws provides an exemption to this if the person is age 18-20 and the firearm is a Title 1 Rifle or Title 1 Shotgun.

CA laws prohibits a CA FFL dealer from transferring a firearm to a person under the age of 21. [PC 27510(a)]
CA laws provides an exemption to this if the person is age 18-20 and has a valid CA hunting license and the firearm is a shotgun or a rifle that is not a semi-auto centerfire rifle. [PC 27510(b)(1)]

Which means...

A person age 18-20 with a valid CA hunting license can legally acquire the following from a CA FFL dealer:
A. Single-shot shotgun.
B. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating shotgun.
C. Semi-auto shotgun.
D. Single-shot rimfire rifle.
E. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating rimfire rifle.
F. Semi-auto rimfire rifle.
G. Single-shot centerfire rifle.
H. Manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating centerfire rifle.


Therefore...

Your 19 year old son with a valid CA hunting license can legally acquire a semi-auto rimfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun from a CA FFL dealer.

Your 19 year old son with a valid CA hunting license can not legally acquire a semi-auto centerfire rifle or a semi-auto other firearm or a semi-auto handgun from a CA FFL dealer.

One additional exemption is intrafamily transfer, that will allow transfer of semi-auto handgun or rifle for person under 21 yrs old, but it still requires FSC, for intrafamily transfer.

[golfish]

One additional exemption is intrafamily transfer, that will allow transfer of semi-auto handgun or rifle for person under 21 yrs old, but it still requires FSC, for intrafamily transfer.

He's going to get all the guns in his name sooner or later, I've just put off doing all the paperwork. I'll just dros this one and transfer later with all of the others.

Thank you all

[MyOdessa]

He's going to get all the guns in his name sooner or later, I've just put off doing all the paperwork. I'll just dros this one and transfer later with all of the others.

Thank you all

Unless I misunderstood, you don't need to DROS if you are doing intrafamily transfer. It is just one form and $19 check. You can do it online, but I prefer mailing one and keeping a copy of the signed form and cashed check, until I get letter from the DOJ (not really necessary). The transfer is complete as soon as you complete the form. I have been transferring handguns and rifles to my kids as soon as they turned 18.

[Matt P]

Impressive gesture Oceanbob.
A outstanding example of a fellow firearm enthusiast.
Your example would easily cause me to do the same.