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  • Nate74
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1104

    Continuing Problems (Saga) with my Spike's 22 Upper

    In early May, I posted here about some problems I was having with my newly acquired Spike ST-22 Upper.



    The basic problem was I had to crank the rear sight almost all the way to the right and the front sight was raised so high, it was close to coming out.

    After a few suggestions, I ended up sending it back to Spike's. They had it for a few weeks and then sent it back to me about 2 weeks ago.

    The first thing I noticed was that the rear sight was still adjusted way over to one side, but the front sight was now at what might be considered a normal height. I also noticed the gun had debris in the barrel and the flash hider was not what I'd had on it when I sent it in. My first thought was maybe it was test fired after the work they did on it? But I couldn't explain why the scratched up flash hider I'd had on it was now new... but I figured I was on the better side of that swap so I didn't think much about it.

    I cleaned the barrel and sent an email to Tom at Spike's asking what he'd ended up doing to repair the upper, but I never got an answer.

    So today, I take it to my local indoor range. I put an 8.5"x11" target out to 7.5yrds and I'm not even hitting paper. I aim and fire one shot at each corner of the paper and the shot I fired at the upper right corner, but a round about 2" up from the bottom, and just barely on the paper on the left hand side.

    After repeated adjustments, I end up with the front sight cranked all the way down and the rear sight all the way over to the right and am still shooting about an two inches low and two inches to the left.

    I'm willing to stipulate that my sight picture may be off enough to account for being an inch or two low, but having to crank the rear sight all the way to one extreme just doesn't seem right.

    I know the handle/sight is OK since it's seen some service on my .223 AR and never required such extreme adjustment on that upper.

    So my frustration continues. Since I never did hear back from Tom, I guess I'll try sending him another email about it, but I have zero faith that shipping it back to him for a second time would yield any better results.

    I'm thinking maybe I get a laser bore sighter, just to double check my sight picture but beyond that, am I off to a Gunsmith?

    The only one I know of is out at Ade's. Is a Gunsmith going to be able to some checks to make sure the front sight isn't canted and such?

    I'm open to any and all thoughts on this fellas. Thanks in advance.
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    Nate74
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1104

    Just found a link to another forum's archive that talks about something similar to my issue:



    Could it be that a Spike's upper that runs close to $650 has poor alignment between the barrel and the upper?
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    • #3
      636
      Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 130

      After reading your original thread I'm having exactly the same problem you were having before you sent it back to Spikes:

      Rear sight is all the way down, almost completely to the right and I have had to adjust the front sight way high.

      I don't have another carry handle to swap unfortunately so I'm not sure if that's the culprit or not.

      I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.

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      • #4
        Nate74
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 1104

        I'm also now realizing that instead of lowering the front sight, i could have raised up the rear... so I guess my real issue is the rear sight being cranked all the way to the right and my shots still falling well to the left...
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        • #5
          Grumpyoldretiredcop
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2008
          • 6437

          Take a look at the bottom of your front sight base. If there is a setscrew holding the sight base in place and no taper pins, you can correct the windage error yourself. Remember that moving the front sight to the left moves your point of impact to the right and vice versa. Remove the handguards before loosening that setscrew!

          If the front sight base is secured in place with taper pins, your best bet is to send it back to Tom at Spike's again with a clear written explanation of what's wrong (including a target to illustrate it might be a good idea).
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          • #6
            Nate74
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 1104

            Thanks for the suggestion. I just took a look and it's taper pins, no set screw.

            I'm having trouble with the idea of sending it back again. I was fairly dissapointed by my dealings with Spike's in the first go round. And then to not get a reply from my follow up email sat wrong with me too.

            It may be my best option but I feel like I'd almost rather pay a gunsmith to do it right the first time than roll the dice with a second trip back to Spikes...

            Are there specialized tools used to ensure the front sight is on correctly? Seems like it could be off a few .001" and you'd have problems...
            Last edited by Nate74; 06-14-2009, 9:14 PM.
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            • #7
              pbrand
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 914

              Post all this on ar15.com rimfire section and they will take care of you real fast.

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              • #8
                BunMaster
                Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 108

                I'm having the same exact issues. Mine was delivered earlier this month.

                Maybe a bad batch?

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                • #9
                  Nate74
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1104

                  Originally posted by BunMaster
                  I'm having the same exact issues. Mine was delivered earlier this month.

                  Maybe a bad batch?
                  Could be...

                  Been away from my computer a couple days but will post to AR15.com pretty soon.

                  Just brought home California's latest shooter: Kelly Christine was born Monday June 15 at 4:15pm.

                  Her first rifle will be one of those cute little pink .22 Crickets that I'm fairly sure my Dad has already purchased
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                  • #10
                    offrdmania
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                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4053

                    Congrats!
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                    • #11
                      usmcchet9296
                      CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1834

                      Use a boresight to see how far you are off from the point of aim also if you can and have a weaver for arm put a sight on it and test fire to see if truly you front sight is out of wack
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                      • #12
                        Nate74
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1104

                        Well a quick email to Tom and he got right back to me. I inquired as to the specifics of what he'd done exactly and this was his reply.

                        We replaced your barrel with a brand new one and retuned it. I would recommend trying a different rear site. Everything was in spec and looked great when it left here.

                        The sight he's referring to came on a .223 upper and seemed to work fine there so I'm not 100% sure why it wouldn't work on the ST-22, but I'll try a different sight. I have a BUIS from parts4AR15.com that I can try I guess...



                        Not sure who made the handle/sight I'd been using, but I now have some confidence that at least the upper is GTG.
                        Last edited by Nate74; 06-18-2009, 1:52 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Nate74
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1104

                          Originally posted by usmcchet9296
                          Use a boresight to see how far you are off from the point of aim also if you can and have a weaver for arm put a sight on it and test fire to see if truly you front sight is out of wack
                          Thanks! I've been toying with that idea.

                          Does the Bushnells one that goes into the end of the barrel work? I've never seen the kind that goes into the chamber for .22lr.
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