30rd mag in .22lr conversion

[crrose]

Can you use a 30rd magazine in an AR with a drop in 22lr conversion kit if it has a fixed magazine or since it is fixed it must be 10rd like on AR15 with evil features.

I've read and read and read different subjects here and i'm still confused. Some say unless you put a buffer block in or change hand grip and remove flash hider then it's still considered an AW because you can easily switch out the BCG.

Would be nice to be able to use 30rd magazine and target practice with an "evil" looking AR and be able to switch BCG out to .223 when you want to shoot .223 and use a 10rd mag.

Like this quote from another post on legality of .22lr conversion: "So if you have a Ciener 22LR AR with evil features, USE CARE IN CLEANING AND DISASSEMBLY. Do NOT JUST REMOVE THE 22LR BOLT CARRIER ASSY, unless & until you change other features FIRST! MonsterMan or fin wedge grip, fixed stock, etc. Very helpful to NOT have a Flash Hider on such a gun. ALWAYS KEEP THE GUN IN A LEGAL CONFIGURATION AND NEVER TRANSITION, even for a moment, THRU AN ILLEGAL CONFIGURATION."

Then you read DOJ it says if firing pin, BCG or upper and lower separated then it would not be considered an AW.

[DB>]

I'll see if I can shed a little light on what I think your question is....

Rimfire (.22lr) is generally exempt from the "evil features" legalities. If you have a 30 round that is legally acquired, that should be OK to use while we wait on the further rulings in the ongoing litigation.

Where it gets tricky is when you swap the rimfire parts to centerfire, and then you'd need to be compliant with that set of laws.

[crrose]

Ok one has .22lr drop in conversion with fixed magazine and evil features, the other has .223 BCG and has evil features with fixed magazine of 10rds so everything is legal with both right now correct.

[AR22]

Cannot help I as left there over 20 years ago. But are you talking about the .22 Long Rifle Magazine with a 30 round capacity? I only have straight 25 round Conversion mags. I would like to know if someone is making a 30 round .22 conversion mag. I do have 50 round but they drums? Thanks

[crrose]

Sorry, the .22 magazines are not 30 but 25 rounds. It's just the fact that they are over 10 round that I am curious about since can't have more then 10 rounds in a fixed magazine set up but this is a .22lr rim fire not centerfire.

[autoduel]

30515 defines an assault weapon as:
2. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

It appears that the 10 rnd limit for a "fixed magazine" is only applicable to "centerfire rifles"

[ARFrog]

See Librarian's post #5 in this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1608074&highlight=Rimfire+magazine+capacity

Unless you have Freedom Week standard mags, have a .22 with a tubular magazine or are shooting a lever action rifle, if you have a magazine with more than 10 round capacity you "gonna have some splaining to do" Ricky! In other words, no you can't have a 30 round mag capacity in an AR 22.

[crrose]

See this is why I am so confused...everyone has a different answer..Since it is shooting rimfire does that not exclude .22lr from AW status?

[ARFrog]

OP, decouple your mind from .22 cal and start again.

No magazines with capacity above 10 in California.

But remember there are a few exceptions - non center fire . 22 cal with tubular magazine or lever action.

Ask yourself the question - does my AR 22 fit the exceptions criteria? If not, then once again, no you can't have a 30 round mag for your AR 22.

I admit it can be confusing - especially since pieces of the law are found in multiple places. Unfortunately we are responsible for compliance even when it is confusing.

If it makes you feel better, you can have "evil features" on your AR 22 even if you can't have a standard capacity magazine.

Edit: also remember there is no requirement for CA laws to make sense.

[oktavist]

This is exactly why my bolt action .22LR rifle is a registered assault weapon in california...
Edit: It's like ca has 3 different definitions of "assault weapon"

[crrose]

I will just leave it as a fixed magazine with the Hogue Freedom Fighter kit installed and go ahead and get the ARMaglock kingpin for it. I don't want to change everything and have the AW ban overturned and have to spend money to put all the features back.

[autoduel]

You can have 30rnd magazines if you acquired them before 2000 or during freedom week.
If you legally own them, you can use them in a rimfire AR without triggering AW status. It seems like the above responses are regarding the legalities of obtaining the mags themselves rather than the AW status being triggered by using +10 mags you already own.
Using legally owned BX25's in your 10/22 doesn't make it an AW.

[ar15barrels]

See Librarian's post #5 in this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1608074&highlight=Rimfire+magazine+capacity

Unless you have Freedom Week standard mags, have a .22 with a tubular magazine or are shooting a lever action rifle,
if you have a magazine with more than 10 round capacity you "gonna have some splaining to do" Ricky!
In other words, no you can't have a 30 round mag capacity in an AR 22.

That is about the MAGAZINES themselves.
Legally acquired large capacity magazines can be used with features in a rimfire rifle without the rifle becoming an assault weapon.

So he won't have no "splaining to do" unless he is breaking a law.
In other words, it's completely legal to have a large capacity magazine in an AR 22 as long as the magazines are legally acquired.

[ar15barrels]

See this is why I am so confused...everyone has a different answer..Since it is shooting rimfire does that not exclude .22lr from AW status?

In order to BE an assault weapon, a rifle has to be centerfire and semi-auto.
Your rimfire is NOT centerfire so it can not BE an assault weapon unless you convert it to a centerfire.

[ar15barrels]

OP, decouple your mind from .22 cal and start again.

No magazines with capacity above 10 in California.

But remember there are a few exceptions - non center fire . 22 cal with tubular magazine or lever action.

Decouple your mind from the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset and start again.

Legally acquired large capacity magazines are legal to possess and use.
Such as those acquired before the magazine ban was enacted or those purchased during the magazine freedom week.
There is NO rule that applies universally like you are stating.
In the case of CENTERFIRE rifles, fixing a large capacity magazine into a semi-auto centerfire rifle absolutely creates an assault weapon.
This is NOT the case with rimfire rifles.
Nor is this the case with featureless centerfire rifles where the magazine is NOT fixed to the action.
Rimfire rifles can have large capacity removable OR fixed magazines because they are NOT centerfire.

The only truth is that are NO absolute rules.