Reliability issues.

[SteelPulse]

I am having reliability issues with both my 10/22 & Browning Buckmark Camper. I realize that both firearms are about as, "budget" a .22 as can be attained and am now realizing that the old adage, "you get what you pay for" rings true.

I thought that by reading online reviews that I had made informed decisions, apparently I was mistaken or am the victim of some bad luck.

The 10/22 I purchased new in 2014 has rarely ever completed a 10 round mag without a FTE or FTF, basically some type of jam. I have fed every conceivable brand of ammo through it from Aguila to CCI to Remington to Winchester. I've cleaned and oiled the heck out of it to no avail.

Same issue, but even worse with the Buckmark pistol, purchased this year. Funniest thing, it hates CCI Mini Mag 40 gr. the worst of all and likes the Remington bulk ammo best, but still is very unreliable.

Should I try to contact the manufacturer or a gunsmith or just replace the tools?

If I were to replace the weapons what would you recommend as being more reliable?

My knowledge on rimfire is limited. Used to own a Marlin Papoose, never a single problem.

[Creampuff]

I am having reliability issues with both my 10/22 & Browning Buckmark Camper. I realize that both firearms are about as, "budget" a .22 as can be attained and am now realizing that the old adage, "you get what you pay for" rings true.

I thought that by reading online reviews that I had made informed decisions, apparently I was mistaken or am the victim of some bad luck.

The 10/22 I purchased new in 2014 has rarely ever completed a 10 round mag without a FTE or FTF, basically some type of jam. I have fed every conceivable brand of ammo through it from Aguila to CCI to Remington to Winchester. I've cleaned and oiled the heck out of it to no avail.

Same issue, but even worse with the Buckmark pistol, purchased this year. Funniest thing, it hates CCI Mini Mag 40 gr. the worst of all and likes the Remington bulk ammo best, but still is very unreliable.

Should I try to contact the manufacturer or a gunsmith or just replace the tools?

If I were to replace the weapons what would you recommend as being more reliable?

My knowledge on rimfire is limited. Used to own a Marlin Papoose, never a single problem.

Not sure what to say about the Buckmark, but I had similar issues with my 10/22. There was an easy fix. I replaced the factor extractor with a Volquartsen extractor. After this simple $12 fix, it has been very reliable.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/363360/volquartsen-exact-edge-extractor-ruger-10-22-10-22-magnum-mark-ii-mark-iii-22-45

[Bainter1212]

My wife's 10/22 (bought two years ago) has had stovepiping problems ever since we got it. Once it gets even slightly dirty, it will stovepipe every 12th rd or so. Not a big deal to me but my wife hates it.

I started by replacing the extractor with a Volq and trying different lubes (didn't work).

I then upgraded the trigger, which was not necessarily for reliability reasons but because the trigger was godawful from the factory. Figured a lower weight hammer spring might also speed up the bolt cycling to the rear which may fix the issue. Didn't help.

Next, I sent the bolt off to a smith to have the rear of the bolt reshaped and have the bolt polished. This is a common mod, do some Googling and you will see it. That helped a little, but we still get the occasional FT eject.
The next thing I have done is to clean up and polish the inside of the receiver and use a chamber mouth deburring tool on the chamber mouth. I haven't had a chance to test it out again, but hope it is 100% now.

I am a bit ticked off that I have had to do so much to make it work, after spending $300 on a .22 rifle that was supposed to be reliable. It is a beautiful special edition.....

We have mostly been shooting Fed Automatch, with some CCI and Win SuperX mixed in. Seems to happen with all of it.

[Garv]

Make sure the bolts on top of the receiver/barrel are tight on the Buckmark.
Blue loctite if loose.
That has happened to me twice, otherwise no problems.

[Rosebud22]

You have picked two of the most reliable guns on the market. I have both, with no issues. Both have been around for decade, if there was a design flaw, it would have been picked up years ago. Since you have checked and cleaned the guns, look at the magazines. I got one 1022 mag the was so tight you could barely put rounds in it. So try another mag. Same with the buckmark. as noted above the take down screws on top do come loose even with the factory retainer washer. I use blue loctite on the them.

[bazmonkey]

The lady and I have these very same rifles, and we shoot about the same ammo (lots of Federal, some CCI/Aguila, little Winchester, no Rem though), and we're new shooters... and we don't have these sorts of problems.

When we first started taking them to the range (literally the first couple times), we both had a lot of FTE with the Buckmark. We suspected either it needed some more break-in, or we were just new to shooting and limp-wristing it. Somewhere between tightening up the grip and getting more shots through it, the problem disappeared. The Buckmark really seems to like being clean (I get some FTF if shoot a few hundred lead-nosed rounds and don't clean it), but the 10/22 doesn't seem to care at all.

Nowadays the only problems we get are misfires (maybe 2-3 per 100) with Federal bulk. I'm fully convinced this is the ammo, because it happens with about the same frequency on both guns, and not with better ammo.

So... only because I have these same guns and they perform great with no third-party modifications, if I were you I'd get some sort of sanity check. Are you cleaning them often? Are you over/under oiling them? Do the magazines need attention? It could totally be just bad luck (or I happened to make out lucky with two working specimens), but I'd take it to either a knowledgeable friend or gunsmith and double-check that there isn't a simple fix here, and then consider more drastic options.

Edit: forgot to mention that I also get hit with the loose screws on the Buckmark. To be fair I gave the manual the finger when it said not to disassemble the pistol, and I strip it down (i.e. slide off) at nearly every cleaning.

[oilcanhenry]

I am having reliability issues with both my 10/22 & Browning Buckmark Camper. I realize that both firearms are about as, "budget" a .22 as can be attained and am now realizing that the old adage, "you get what you pay for" rings true.

I thought that by reading online reviews that I had made informed decisions, apparently I was mistaken or am the victim of some bad luck.

The 10/22 I purchased new in 2014 has rarely ever completed a 10 round mag without a FTE or FTF, basically some type of jam. I have fed every conceivable brand of ammo through it from Aguila to CCI to Remington to Winchester. I've cleaned and oiled the heck out of it to no avail.

Same issue, but even worse with the Buckmark pistol, purchased this year. Funniest thing, it hates CCI Mini Mag 40 gr. the worst of all and likes the Remington bulk ammo best, but still is very unreliable.

Should I try to contact the manufacturer or a gunsmith or just replace the tools?

If I were to replace the weapons what would you recommend as being more reliable?

My knowledge on rimfire is limited. Used to own a Marlin Papoose, never a single problem.

Buy a Marlin 795 or model 60. Those are vastly superior to the Ruger 10/22.

My 795 will eat up just about anything, unless its a heavy 60 gr subsonic, and those were never meant to be fired through a semi-automatic .22 rifle.

Remember, the main reason CA got stuck with the ten round limit was due to Bill Rugers POS firearms, most of which only fire ten round magazines.

[kcheung2]

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I've cleaned and oiled the heck out of it to no avail.

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I'm no fan any Rugers but both those guns are very reliable. I'm really curious about your cleaning regimen, after cleaning how much oil are you leaving in the gun? They should only have the barest slight film of oil, anything more & they will gunk up.

I have a Marlin 795 & a Buckmark (forgot which model, but it was the cheapest) and although they're both on the bottom of the price scale they are both dead reliable & require very little maintenance. I still have not dissassembled the Buckmark yet after 1100 rounds, I just swab the chamber & bore every so often.

[Chaos47]

I'm no fan any Rugers but both those guns are very reliable. I'm really curious about your cleaning regimen, after cleaning how much oil are you leaving in the gun? They should only have the barest slight film of oil, anything more & they will gunk up.

I have a Marlin 795 & a Buckmark (forgot which model, but it was the cheapest) and although they're both on the bottom of the price scale they are both dead reliable & require very little maintenance. I still have not dissassembled the Buckmark yet after 1100 rounds, I just swab the chamber & bore every so often.

^This! Do NOT over oil 22LR firearms, you are just going to gunk them up!

[RawHP]

The 10/22 I purchased new in 2014 has rarely ever completed a 10 round mag without a FTE or FTF, basically some type of jam. I have fed every conceivable brand of ammo through it from Aguila to CCI to Remington to Winchester. I've cleaned and oiled the heck out of it to no avail.

1) Crotchbrite the inside of the receiver for starters,
2) Scrub the chamber with Kroil or Hoppes and let it soak for 30 minutes and scrub again. Use a bent .22" or .243" (better) bore brush (use the thread end like a handle) from the breech.
3) Use very little oil; or better yet, use dry lube; or run the bolt dry.
4) Also make sure your mags drop free, if there's any binding against the stock, it can affect the feeding alignment.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473575&highlight=CrotchBrite

[SteelPulse]

Make sure the bolts on top of the receiver/barrel are tight on the Buckmark.
Blue loctite if loose.
That has happened to me twice, otherwise no problems.

You hit the nail on the head. The front large allen screw was loose. Thank you for the info, the Buckmark goes pew everytime now. Sorry for the late reply. Many thanks.

[SteelPulse]

^This! Do NOT over oil 22LR firearms, you are just going to gunk them up!

You guys were right, I took a brass brush to it and got an incredible amount of lead shavings out of the barrel, as well I minimized the oil. No issues now. Thank you very much for the advice everyone!

[jeremiah12]

A few years ago, I bought a pair of 10/22s, one for my son and one for myself. My son's ran well, mine could not get through a mag without a couple of FTE or stovepipes.

I replaced the extractor with the Volquartsen extractor and that cut the FTE and stovepipes by half. It was still annoying.

I then replaced the bolt assembly with a polished one from Tactical Solutions. http://www.tacticalinc.com/pike-arms...ly-p-1347.html

That stopped 99% of the FTE and stovepipes I was experiencing.

I did not know a lot about guns, at the time. Now, I would have just polished the inside of the receiver. Later, I took apart both guns and compared receivers and the one in my son's gun was smoother. I did polish mine a bit.