M&P 15-22 Trouble?

[Barbarosa]

Anyone else get a notice saying Appleseed is banning the S&W M&P 15-22 until S&W can address a problem with the guns firing out of battery? I was thinking of picking one up but don't want a problem child. Anyone have insight into the problem?

[DesertDave100]

It made the Bearing Arms page,

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/15/breaking-mp-1522s-banned-appleseed-events-battery-run-away-discharges/

[GM4spd]

I'll be keeping mine but I don't shoot Appleseed,either. I've had a few thousand
rds of trouble free operation from mine but problems can occur anytime I guess.
I like mine especially for the fact it shoots all ammo with no problems including
the dreaded "bulk rabbit stuff". It's very accurate to boot,very easy to shoot offhand
and a good rifle for younger shooters. YMMV.

['ol shooter]

I have never had an OOB of any sort, yet. I do pay close attention to the cleanliness of the chamber and bolt face on my rimfires, since they tend to run dirty. I don't use oil, only One Shot Cleaner and Dry Lube, so have no muddy buildup in the trigger groups. Not saying it will never happen, but doing everything I can to prevent it. In several thousand rounds through my 15-22, one feed issue with a magazine, that's it. I do not shoot Remington rimfire ammo, and have read accounts of 10-22's going off OOB with GB's and Thunderturds.

[CouchOperator]

Im curious how they determined it was the rifles fault, and not the monkey behind the gun

[GM4spd]

Furthermore, try to represent others accurately as well.

=8-)

Sorry,I forgot to mention you are the brass expert. And yes,mine does shoot all the ammo I've tried
which is about 8 different types,most of it bulk.

[as_rocketman]

Im curious how they determined it was the rifles fault, and not the monkey behind the gun

Nobody has made that determination. All we have seen is a statistically unusual cluster of events. We have reported the issue to the manufacturer and plan to follow their guidance. Could be user, could be ammo, could be coincidence -- or it could not.

However, once a potential safety issue is identified, we must react to it. We'll be glad to arrange loaners etc. for those affected, or otherwise make it right to the best of our ability.

Understand this just came up today from National, so it's kind of a surprise to most of us.

[as_rocketman]

Personally I haven't seen a high rate of failures with MP15-22's, but that's how statistics go sometimes.

Our classes will run through 400+ rounds in a weekend. Plus dust and grit and sometimes rain or even snow... Probably 10% of the rifles on the line at any given class will go down for one reason or another. I had one class where ALL of the rifles went down, including two instructor loaners.

But anyway, our head office has made a decision, possibly out of an abundance of caution, but we don't know yet. We will get to the bottom of it.

['ol shooter]

Certainly better to error on the side of safety.

[Barbarosa]

Probably 10% of the rifles on the line at any given class will go down for one reason or another.

Which ones seem to be the most reliable?

[oilcanhenry]

I have never had an OOB of any sort, yet. I do pay close attention to the cleanliness of the chamber and bolt face on my rimfires, since they tend to run dirty. I don't use oil, only One Shot Cleaner and Dry Lube, so have no muddy buildup in the trigger groups. Not saying it will never happen, but doing everything I can to prevent it. In several thousand rounds through my 15-22, one feed issue with a magazine, that's it. I do not shoot Remington rimfire ammo, and have read accounts of 10-22's going off OOB with GB's and Thunderturds.

Remington has never made a very good quality .22LR ammo, and that's going back 40 years. Winchester "Wildcats", very similar to the CCI Blazers, were great
ammo back in the day. Unfortunately they no longer make those anymore.

CCI ammo, including Blazers, and Winchester Super-X are the only brands going down my .22 LR rifles.

[MyOdessa]

Sorry,I forgot to mention you are the brass expert.

Mrrabbit is a self proclaimed "expert". I have yet to see his CV to justify his "expertise".

[Pardini]

I've shot nothing but SV through mine. Never a failure of any kind and has never been cleaned and at least 1500 rounds through it.

My 10/22 however with a Green Mountain barrel will fire out of battery after 200 to 300 rounds, as does my buddies with the same barrel. Even my stock 10/22 has fired out of battery.

I've read dozens of positive reviews of the 15/22. If they fire out of battery it's got to be a cruddy camber just like it is with the Ruger.

[as_rocketman]

I've shot nothing but SV through mine. Never a failure of any kind and has never been cleaned and at least 1500 rounds through it.

Asking any blowback rimfire to work after 1500 rounds without cleaning is optimistic. You must be on the other side of the bell curve.

Frankly, I think the decision is a little overcautious and we're just looking at especially dirty rifles, but then again, it doesn't really hurt to put on the brakes while we check it out. We should be able to outfit y'all with loaners in the meantime. Give me or your shoot boss a ring.

Which ones seem to be the most reliable?

Bolt action.

In all seriousness, the lines are dominated by Ruger 10/22 with Marlin 795 in distant but abundant second. Both of these perform just fine. Both will also choke if you don't take care of them.

The best thing to do is spend a little time with your rifle and figure out what ammo it likes, and then learn how to keep it clean. Most problems are due to poor rifle/ammo combinations (e.g., my Marlin and Golden Bullet, or Thunderbolts and darn near anything ). Rifles are usually going to warn you before they start firing out of battery, if you take the time to listen.

[roger1022]

My 15-22 is one of my favorite and most reliable rimfire rifles. I've fed it everything from Remington Cyclones, Golden Bullets to Winchester White Box, M-22's and Federal Champion in addition to a wide variety of CCI without any issues.

Then again, I might be somewhat OCD as I try to clean the rifle after every range trip.