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  • justjeff
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 1301

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    I found one I want to buy at my LGS question is..... Does the fore end make it an AW?


    the fore end is currently on the firearm should it be removed before I take possession?



    Thanks Jeff
    Originally posted by LBDamned
    Serious people make real change in their lives... Others complain on forums.
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30242

    Originally posted by justjeff
    I found one I want to buy at my LGS question is..... Does the fore end make it an AW?
    Yes, it makes it an assault weapon (semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines and has a second handgrip). [PC 30515(a)(4)(B)]

    If it uses a fixed 10 round magazine, then it would be CA legal.
    If the second handgrip is removed, then it would be CA legal.


    Penal Code 30515
    (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also means any of the following:
    (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
    (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
    (B) A second handgrip.
    (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
    (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
    (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
    Last edited by Quiet; 03-27-2015, 6:21 PM.
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    • #3
      traveler1952
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 595

      I don't believe that applies to Rim Fires according to my FFL
      That's a hard gun to find, Buy it now.
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      • #4
        Izzy43
        CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
        • Dec 2009
        • 2670

        Originally posted by justjeff
        I found one I want to buy at my LGS question is..... Does the fore end make it an AW?


        the fore end is currently on the firearm should it be removed before I take possession?



        Thanks Jeff
        Playing devil's advocate here, but would a licensed California gun dealer really sell a firearm that's illegal in California risking the loose of his/her license and some time behind bars? Does not seem logical to me.

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        • #5
          justjeff
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 1301

          Originally posted by traveler1952
          I don't believe that applies to Rim Fires according to my FFL
          That's a hard gun to find, Buy it now.
          I have a deposit on it. The FFL is waiting for the 30 day consignment period and then I start the Paperwork.
          Originally posted by LBDamned
          Serious people make real change in their lives... Others complain on forums.

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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by traveler1952
            I don't believe that applies to Rim Fires according to my FFL
            That's a hard gun to find, Buy it now.
            CA assault weapons laws for handguns differs from those of rifles and shotguns.

            CA assault weapons laws for rifles do not apply to rimfire.

            CA assault weapons laws for handguns apply to rimfire.
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            "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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            • #7
              FMFdevildoc
              Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 474

              If you don't purchase it, pm me and I'll drive down there to buy it myself. IMO doesn't seem dubious, read the cal AG guidance.
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              • #8
                JTROKS
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2007
                • 13093

                Originally posted by Quiet
                CA assault weapons laws for handguns differs from those of rifles and shotguns.

                CA assault weapons laws for rifles do not apply to rimfire.

                CA assault weapons laws for handguns apply to rimfire.
                ^^THIS!!!^^

                You can use a mag lock or take off the forend. Simple as that.
                The wise man said just find your place
                In the eye of the storm
                Seek the roses along the way
                Just beware of the thorns...
                K. Meine

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                • #9
                  10xhobby
                  Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 408

                  Originally posted by justjeff
                  I have a deposit on it. The FFL is waiting for the 30 day consignment period and then I start the Paperwork.
                  Congratulations on your new Browning, I have owned one since the early 90's and it is an awesome target pistol. Good luck.
                  Here's mine
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                  • #10
                    justjeff
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 1301

                    Originally posted by 10xhobby
                    Congratulations on your new Browning, I have owned one since the early 90's and it is an awesome target pistol. Good luck.
                    I can't wait to get my Buckmark! I have a Ruger 22/45 SS bull barrel that has only been out once since I bought it. I have had buckmarks before and will probably sell or try and trade the Ruger for another buckmark.

                    Thanks for all the replies and guidance.

                    Here is the Ruger I'll more than likely list for sell/trade once I get the BM.

                    Originally posted by LBDamned
                    Serious people make real change in their lives... Others complain on forums.

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                    • #11
                      CenCalHobbist
                      Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 397

                      Originally posted by Quiet
                      Yes, it makes it an assault weapon (semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines and has a second handgrip). [PC 30515(a)(4)(B)]

                      If it uses a fixed 10 round magazine, then it would be CA legal.
                      If the second handgrip is removed, then it would be CA legal.


                      Penal Code 30515
                      (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also means any of the following:
                      (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
                      (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
                      (B) A second handgrip.
                      (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
                      (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
                      (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
                      This is my interpretation as well. The handgun AW laws make no distinction for rimfire or not rimfire. The laws apply to all handguns. The wood forward of the grip could be a barrel shroud and/or a forward grip. Either classification makes it an illegal Assault Weapon as per the law.

                      The flow chart is linked in my sig if you want to check.
                      AW flowchart links:
                      Pistol Flow Chart Rifle Flowchart Shotgun Flowchart
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                      I am not a lawyer and the above is not legal adivse.

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                      • #12
                        cusco19
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 1067

                        Originally posted by 10xhobby
                        Congratulations on your new Browning, I have owned one since the early 90's and it is an awesome target pistol. Good luck.
                        Here's mine
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                        oh man.. that actually looks pretty hot! what kinda grip is that? and which model of the buckmark is that?
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