Specs

[studiousjr]

Specs

[JMP]

Use radian like the rest of the world, or get something like a Vortex.

Every one of my scopes has at least one feature I'd alter; that's life.

[studiousjr]

Funny after I wrote this post I thought screw it I'll just go MILRAD like everyone else! Point taken.

Mark 6 1-6x20mm (34mm) M6C1

I guess I'm looking at the Mark 6 since it's light weight 17oz, MIL/MIL and glass very good from what I hear. If anyone knows of something better For under 2K please chime in.

Thanks! I'm going to head out to a local B&M and check it out.

[ArmsUnlimited]

US Optics meets all requirements, anything with those requirements is going to have a durable housing, the weight isnt that significant

[FMJBT]

March Optics 1-10X24 w/ MTR-1 reticle ($1900.00)

http://www.longrangesupply.com/store/scopes/march-optics/march-1-10x24-compact-scopes/march-1-10x24mm-mtr-1-reticle-tactical-knobs-1-4-moa-clicks.html

Edit: Just noticed that the March 1-10X is a second focal plane scope, not FFP.

[studiousjr]

How is the optical clarity of the March 1-10? I'm curious if anyone has experience or pics of the reticle at distance. I heard the image is a little dark at the 10x...?

[FMJBT]

How is the optical clarity of the March 1-10? I'm curious if anyone has experience or pics of the reticle at distance. I heard the image is a little dark at the 10x...?

I'll preface this by saying that I've never looked through a March scope. They seem to be pretty well regarded on forums like ARFCOM and Snipers Hide. I've read numerous accounts of the glass on the March scopes comparing favorably to high end European glass. However, having a 24mm objective on a 10X scope will give you an exit pupil of only 2.4mm at max magnification. Once your exit pupil size gets smaller than the size of the pupil in your eye, the effect will be an overall darkening of the image. In really bright sunlight where your pupils are constricted down to little dots, the scope will probably seem fine at 10X. On overcast days or during dawn or dusk where your pupils are opened up to let in more light, the scope will likely be pretty dark.

If you are open to the idea of using mil based reticles and knobs, I'd suggest taking a look at the Burris XTR II 2-10X42 FFP. It's larger 42mm objective gives a 4.2mm exit pupil at max magnification. The XTR II scopes really stand out when it comes to glass clarity and turrets. Despite the similar price to mid level scopes from Vortex or Bushnell, the glass in the XTR II scopes is much better quality. IMHO the glass and turrets on the Burris scopes are right up there with, if not slightly better than the Nightforce NXS scopes. Overall weight is a bit over what you are looking for though, at 22 ounces. Supposedly Burris will be introducing more reticle choices and an MOA version of the XTR II scopes in the near future....

[JMP]

How is the optical clarity of the March 1-10? I'm curious if anyone has experience or pics of the reticle at distance. I heard the image is a little dark at the 10x...?

March has excellent clarity. I'd have suggested it, but the FFPs are in Mil and over $3k.

[Need More Ammo]

I know you'd prefer moa, but MIL/RAD is the way to go.

Anyways I'd recommend the SWFA SS HD 1-6. Super clear glass, variable power optic, amazingly strong construction. Illuminated reticle is very easy to see for close quarters acquisition, and zooms nicely to take those longer range shots.

Also the scope is only 1000 bucks!

I have a couple Vortex Vipers (sfp) and they don't even come close to the same clarity or bang for your buck. But I'm comparing apples to oranges there.

SWFA, check them out.

[studiousjr]

Why is milrad the way to go? If we all grow up thinking in inches how is it better to change the language?

[robertsma]

Kahles 3-12x50 or try and find a 6-24x56i, they're super lightweight scopes and high quality optics.

[spamsucker]

mrad is easier to do math for in your head. 1 MRAD = 1 meter at 1000 meters or .1 meter at 100 meters. All you have to do is move the decimal around. Meters and yards are very close to each other but yards is done in a kind of bastardized base 12 (feet, inches, then ugly fractions) which makes it very hard for a person who didn't grow up using bastardized base 12 for counting to do much with. We all grew up learning base 10 (even if we do use base 60 for some other things like clocks, compasses, etc...).

I was for a very long time an MOA/MOA guy. 1/4MOA is a smaller distance than .1MRAD and I thought it would be better for precise adjustment but it's not really. I've never come down to a .098" adjustment that needed to be made because group size is always bigger by more than double (so is the bullet).

To top it off, MOA isn't 1 inch at 100 yards. Depending on the standard you use MOA is either 1.05" or 1.09" so using MOA isn't using IPHY (aka inch per hundred yards which would be easier mental math) and it is harder than using MILs in the end.

Very often the advice you get seems odd but it usually ends up being right. I'd go mil/mil. What brand/model you get is up to you. Whatever it is, get top shelf glass. It does make a difference.

[RobertMW]

I know you'd prefer moa, but MIL/RAD is the way to go.

Anyways I'd recommend the SWFA SS HD 1-6. Super clear glass, variable power optic, amazingly strong construction. Illuminated reticle is very easy to see for close quarters acquisition, and zooms nicely to take those longer range shots.

Also the scope is only 1000 bucks!

I have a couple Vortex Vipers (sfp) and they don't even come close to the same clarity or bang for your buck. But I'm comparing apples to oranges there.

SWFA, check them out.

I have the scope, even got it on sale for $800 during new years. Very good for the price point, but I'm not going to lie, if you get the $2k glass you will be amazed by the difference. If I had the budget I would get the Leupold, or US Optics.

Once you get to 6x the reticle isn't really daylight bright unless you are over a dark target. The eyebox get very tight at max zoom. And the glass quality is probably about 7/10 in terms of clarity and brightness.

[FMJBT]

Burris XTR II 2-10X42 is now available with the SCR-MOA reticle and illumination. Turrets are also MOA and have 100 clicks per turn in 1/4 MOA clicks:

http://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/xtr-ii-riflescopes-series/xtr-ii-riflescope-2-10x42mm

[studiousjr]

I am putting the Burris on the list and I'll have to check one out. Currently, I've back tracked a little since I first wrote the post and have been leaning toward the KAHLES 1-6x for the EYE BOX and AMAZING GLASS and RED DOT. The downside is no ability range or turret in the field. It's a set it and forget it, but could be a lot of fun.

The Mark 6 1-6x is on the other hand perhaps more versatile, but probably not as comfortable, fast or as clear of a red dot. BUT it offers ranging ability and Turrets. Unfortunately, it's in MILS, so for me that's less attractive.

Now that Burris is in the mix for the bargain scope I might just lean back toward MOA/MOA - given I was about to give up on it. I took a look at the vortex 2.5-10 and I didn't like the lense (edge to edge not good) IMO!

MOA/MOA sorta back on the table. I would like to see a Nightforce side by side with the Burris.