T1 Aimpoint looks like a dinosaur compared to the Holosun $199 micro red dot.

[C.W.M.V.]

Lot of snobbery going on here, sadly it is the norm recently.

Indeed.

[compshell]

I keep wanting to buy one but they keep making it way better. They now have a 2moa dot that changes to eotech style redical.. 50,000 hr battery life, programable off 2 to 12 hrs. Fits T1 mounts... they are blowing Aimpoint out of the water with features... maybe not military ready but?


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Aimpoint is in a different league. It's like comparing a Hyundai to a BMW. Some are happy with a Hyundai while some understand quality and prefer a BMW.

You are comparing a Chinese made red dot to a Swedish made red dot.
Does the Holosun support night vision? My T1 does and it's amazing. I have never had 1 issue with my T1, ran thousands of rounds through it both in 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. Never lost zero, they have a customer care network and established quality standards.

Is the T1 overkill for target shooting, probably but I rather have a quality unit and not have to worry about it working right or losing zero....

Holosun to me looks like another chinese company that just rips designs off legitimate companies and profits off it. Am I being harsh? or just calling it they way I see it? My opinion......

[C.W.M.V.]

No, as Kestryll said above your bring a snob.

[MXRider]

This thread makes me laugh at the people who don't understand what makes an Aimpoint and Eotech different.

And saying this is inferior to an Aimpoint isn't being a "snob", it's the truth. Let me know when one of these gets hit by an explosive, shot by 00 buck, and thrown from a helicopter at 100' and stays running like the T1 did in that Daniel Defense torture video.

Oh and Aimpoint has the T2 now BTW.

[strongpoint]

T1 Aimpoint looks like a dinosaur compared to the Holosun $199 micro red dot.

I keep wanting to buy one but they keep making it way better. They now have a 2moa dot that changes to eotech style redical.

Switchable reticles is a feature? Does anyone serious actually want that?

[HK Dave]

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I wish I worked for them... a free sights would be great.

Aimpoint and eotech in one sight ....It's not just a dream anymore. Features n options are always good... no one likes a striped model car so much so its almost imposible to get one.. lol

Have you tested the toughness? Tell us about your tests please. Lmao

How much dose an aimpoint cost to make? Since your so informed ?



You forgot to comment on all the questions... looks like your trolling.



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Sorry brother, i'm not trolling. Look at my post history and you'll see that I try to give honest advice and help folks.

It seems you didn't read my post in its entirety.

I said I think the holosun is great for range use especially for folks looking for a more affordable optic.

Now would I buy one? Probably not... I'd prefer to spend $79 on one of the Primary Arms micros... which will work just fine for range use. And I do own a couple which sit on my dedicated 22lr AR and a Ruger 22.

I've even used a Primary Arm micro on my Rem 870 with slugs... and it actually maintained zero, so i'm impressed by them.

But I stand by what i said, it's silly to compare a $10 chicom optic with world class military optics. No, the holosun is not better than an Aimpoint or Eotech in ANY POSSIBLE WAY period.

This thread makes me laugh at the people who don't understand what makes an Aimpoint and Eotech different.

And saying this is inferior to an Aimpoint isn't being a "snob", it's the truth. Let me know when one of these gets hit by an explosive, shot by 00 buck, and thrown from a helicopter at 100' and stays running like the T1 did in that Daniel Defense torture video.

Oh and Aimpoint has the T2 now BTW.

Agree completely. It's not about being a snob at all... it's about keeping it real.

[sunborder]

Now would I buy one? Probably not... I'd prefer to spend $79 on one of the Primary Arms micros... which will work just fine for range use. And I do own a couple which sit on my dedicated 22lr AR and a Ruger 22.

Who do you think makes the PA micros? Holosun is their OEM manufacturer. The holosun name is the factory's attempt to start an American brand of their own. Marsh from PA has been very open about this here and on arfcom. The difference between them is the specs and QC. The gen2/holosun variants are held to a higher QC/design standard.

Pretty soon holosun is going to have their own warranty facility here in the US, or at least, that's what the rumor is.

As for the holosun being superior, it IS in one way: Cost. It's a $200 optic, not a $10 optic. Or do you honestly think an Aimpoint costs $500 to manufacture? Compare MSRP or manufacturing costs, but not one to the other.

In the end, though, there's a lot of posturing, snobbery, etc these days. Kind of a shame. People's egos get caught up in their gear. These are nice little optics, and for range use, and the average homeowner, they are a nice little defensive optic, IMHO. I wouldn't take it anywhere where I have to submerge it in 50 meters of water or expose it to IEDs or near misses from RPGs...but, honestly, I wouldn't take MYSELF there, much less my rifle.

[Kestryll]

This thread makes me laugh at the people who don't understand what makes an Aimpoint and Eotech different.

And saying this is inferior to an Aimpoint isn't being a "snob", it's the truth. Let me know when one of these gets hit by an explosive, shot by 00 buck, and thrown from a helicopter at 100' and stays running like the T1 did in that Daniel Defense torture video.

Oh and Aimpoint has the T2 now BTW.

Well someone is definitely missing the point of my comment...

NO ONE said that these were superior to Aimpoints or EOTechs.
The OP said they offered more features and were a good deal.
Then people jumped in hammered him for saying so and daring to mention Aimpoint in the same post.

That IS snobbery.

I like my EOTechs, I like my Aimpoints and I like my PA microdot.
I don't own a HoloSun and likely won't be buying one, not because they suck but because I have too damn many optics as it is!
Owning Aimppont and/or EOTech does not mean that other optics can't work and be both a good optics and good deals.

Unless the 'prestige' of the label on your optics is your benchmark.

[MXRider]

Well someone is definitely missing the point of my comment...

NO ONE said that these were superior to Aimpoints or EOTechs.
The OP said they offered more features and were a good deal.
Then people jumped in hammered him for saying so and daring to mention Aimpoint in the same post.

That IS snobbery.

I like my EOTechs, I like my Aimpoints and I like my PA microdot.
I don't own a HoloSun and likely won't be buying one, not because they suck but because I have too damn many optics as it is!
Owning Aimppont and/or EOTech does not mean that other optics can't work and be both a good optics and good deals.

Unless the 'prestige' of the label on your optics is your benchmark.

Well the title of the thread is this : T1 Aimpoint looks like a dinosaur compared to the Holosun $199 micro red dot.

Then you have these:

they are blowing Aimpoint out of the water with features...

They are killing aimpoint with new options and price .... Aimpoint is the same old T1..

Just because the reticle looks like an Eotech doesn't make it a Holographic Eotech sight, and just because it looks like an Aimpoint, and uses it's same mounts, doesn't give it better features or make it a dinosaur. Perhaps a few members could have worded it more tactfully, but their remarks were factual and informative to those who may not know.

Oh, and the OP definitely came off as a shill to me.

[Press Check]

In the end, though, there's a lot of posturing, snobbery, etc these days. Kind of a shame. People's egos get caught up in their gear. These are nice little optics, and for range use, and the average homeowner, they are a nice little defensive optic, IMHO. I wouldn't take it anywhere where I have to submerge it in 50 meters of water or expose it to IEDs or near misses from RPGs...but, honestly, I wouldn't take MYSELF there, much less my rifle.

There's that snobbery word again. For those that invest in their optics, it can be quite annoying to have someone come along and snicker about a hobby-grade optic rivaling a professional-grade optic, and correcting that misinformation does not equate to having an ego, or an emotional investment in their gear.

To imply that this optic "blows Aimpoint out the water" is nothing short of obnoxious, and classic Mall Ninja mentality.

[HK Dave]

Who do you think makes the PA micros? Holosun is their OEM manufacturer. The holosun name is the factory's attempt to start an American brand of their own. Marsh from PA has been very open about this here and on arfcom. The difference between them is the specs and QC. The gen2/holosun variants are held to a higher QC/design standard.

Pretty soon holosun is going to have their own warranty facility here in the US, or at least, that's what the rumor is.

As for the holosun being superior, it IS in one way: Cost. It's a $200 optic, not a $10 optic. Or do you honestly think an Aimpoint costs $500 to manufacture? Compare MSRP or manufacturing costs, but not one to the other.

In the end, though, there's a lot of posturing, snobbery, etc these days. Kind of a shame. People's egos get caught up in their gear. These are nice little optics, and for range use, and the average homeowner, they are a nice little defensive optic, IMHO. I wouldn't take it anywhere where I have to submerge it in 50 meters of water or expose it to IEDs or near misses from RPGs...but, honestly, I wouldn't take MYSELF there, much less my rifle.

We all have different price thresholds... so I speak from me personal financial beliefs... yours may differ.

When we're talking $79 for a range toy, I have no problem spending it. But when it goes to $200, I would much rather spend $350 and get a proven Aimpoint or Eotech... but that's just how I work.

For some folks, the $200 holosun will make them plenty happy, but to me, I'd feel like I spent $120 more for a PA Micro.

I get it, it's made to a "higher standard", but I'm pretty certain that standard isn't Aimpoint standard.

No I don't honestly think Aimpoint costs $500 to manufacture nor did I EVER say anything of the sort... and the fact that you seem to think ANYONE thinks that is pretty lame and honestly, a little embarrassing.

I do know they cost more to manufacture than a holosun... I know they are made to a much higher standard... I also know they've been tested on every ugly possible way imaginable... the holosun hasn't.

Like I said, my threshold is different... at $200, I'd rather spend $350 and get something totally proven. But PA isn't going after guys like me, and I applaud them for filling a consumer need.

And no, it isn't posturing and snobbery... I'm just trying to convey FACT and TRUTH.

When a guy comes here and says the Holosun is better than an Aimpoint, it's just a plain lie. Nbk9nbk can try and deny that he said that, but it's obviously what he said and meant.

Again I will repeat myself, I think the Holosun is a cool little optic and fills a need, but I personally, would rather spend a little more and get an Aimpoint.

Now if the Holosun were say $139 or so, I'd jump on it.

NO ONE said that these were superior to Aimpoints or EOTechs.
The OP said they offered more features and were a good deal.
Then people jumped in hammered him for saying so and daring to mention Aimpoint in the same post.

Kestryll the OP went and changed his entire original post,

Our responses have been based on what he originally said. He said exactly what you said he didn't.

Had he said "Hey this is a great little optic at $200... no it's not quite an Aimpoint but it's awesome!", I'm pretty sure nobody would have said argued...

There's that snobbery word again. For those that invest in their optics, it can be quite annoying to have someone come along and snicker about a hobby-grade optic rivaling a professional-grade optic, and correcting that misinformation does not equate to having an ego, or an emotional investment in their gear.

To imply that this optic "blows Aimpoint out the water" is nothing short of obnoxious, and classic Mall Ninja mentality.

I don't understand why people call folks that spend the money on high quality optics "snobs".

Personally, with my busy life, with the few times I get to go to the range, I want my stuff to work. I want the limiting factor of the day to be me... not my gear.

[HK Dave]

Perhaps a few members could have worded it more tactfully, but their remarks were factual and informative to those who may not know.

Oh, and the OP definitely came off as a shill to me.

Yah my bad... I went back and re-read what I wrote... guess I was having my period that day. Sorry folks.

[Merc1138]

The funniest thing about this thread, is that it's not even close to the worst optics snobbery on this forum by a long shot. If you know what I mean, then I don't need to mention the username involved. At worst I'd call this a heated discussion/argument, that was started specifically by how the OP titled the thread and replied, leaving the big spat in this thread to go both ways.

At the end of the day, everyone who replied to this thread seems to understand that there is a market for holosun and PA, and doesn't have a problem with that. What people had issue with was the nonsense posted by the OP.

[C.W.M.V.]

I remember hearing the same arguments against aimpoint when they hit the market.
My how times change.

[Wallabing]

Dont compare Holosun to an Aimpoint,

An Aimpoint is always perfect. Like a Rolex.