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**Tac driver** · 09-25-2013, 9:11 PM

Both are fun setups. If I'm at the range punching paper I prefer a scope. The magnifier is fun shooting on BLM or private property when you don't have all of the range rules. Basically I don't really take much to the range that is unscoped besides the pistol or to sight something in. What's your budget op?

**postal** · 09-25-2013, 9:11 PM

Red dot. No magnifier needed at those ranges.

Red dot is way faster to aquire than a scope... and even at 100, you dont need a scope.

I'd look for a smaller dot though- 3-4 moa dot. So groups at 100 wouldnt look so hot, but minute of bad guy no problem....

**anthem** · 09-25-2013, 9:16 PM

How old are you? a 1x4 illuminated reticle may work. I use this on my AR.

**Sunday** · 09-25-2013, 9:22 PM

Originally posted by anthem

How old are you? a 1x4 illuminated reticle may work. I use this on my AR.

That is good advice.

**teflondog** · 09-25-2013, 10:42 PM

If money and weight is no concern, I would get a red dot with magnifier. The Eotech G33 is a great magnifier that you can flip to the side for close up shots (perfect for home defense). If you want to travel light, you can always remove the magnifier and run the red dot on its own.

**static808** · 09-26-2013, 12:33 AM

100 yards and under? red dot only.

**Lambing** · 09-26-2013, 6:36 AM

Thanks for all the great input. I see that there are2 types of red dots...open and tubed. It seems a tube type would be the same as using a scope, and slower to pick up the dot than using an open style. Any input?

**static808** · 09-26-2013, 7:33 AM

Originally posted by Lambing

Thanks for all the great input. I see that there are2 types of red dots...open and tubed. It seems a tube type would be the same as using a scope, and slower to pick up the dot than using an open style. Any input?

two eyes open + unlimited eye relief = nothing like shooting a scope.

target acquisition is lightning quick with a red dot, as long as you're still shouldering your weapon the proper way. when people complain about not being able to pick up the dot quickly, i feel the only way that can happen is if you have improper shouldering techniques. even though its not a scope, you still need somewhat of a cheekweld. really, the way some people describe how they're trying to get on target, its like they're shooting from the hip...

**OpticsPlanet** · 09-26-2013, 9:25 AM

Another vote for a red dot.

One thing to consider is the MOA of the dot. EOTech has a 1 MOA dot, others offer 2, 3, 6 and 8 MOA. Larger equals faster at close range, but at the 100 yard distance you mention, the larger dots could prove frustrating, depending on what type of shooting you do.

Mark H.

**postal** · 09-26-2013, 4:24 PM

Originally posted by static808

two eyes open + unlimited eye relief = nothing like shooting a scope.

target acquisition is lightning quick with a red dot, as long as you're still shouldering your weapon the proper way. when people complain about not being able to pick up the dot quickly, i feel the only way that can happen is if you have improper shouldering techniques. even though its not a scope, you still need somewhat of a cheekweld. really, the way some people describe how they're trying to get on target, its like they're shooting from the hip...

Big +1....

I have 2 nikon monarch VSD's (variable dot size- which is not a common feature for most brands) these are short tube style.

I also have a vortex razor red dot. Open style.

Both work just fine no issues- like "Static" said- Proper shouldering and cheekweld- both eyes open you can see everything and transition to any target VERY quickly. Though I'm really liking the 'open style'...

The larger the dot, the faster you pick it up and transition to a target, but the less accurate you are at longer distance. Thats what I really like about the nikon variable dot size.... Set it to the size you want for your purpose.

**amd64** · 09-26-2013, 7:54 PM

For plinking and defense 100 yards and under, Aimpoint Pro, no magnifier.

**220** · 09-30-2013, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by amd64

For plinking and defense 100 yards and under, Aimpoint Pro, no magnifier.

+1 I'd get the 2MOA version personally.

http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-h-1-2moam4-mount-combo

**mt417** · 10-01-2013, 8:19 PM

I have a 4x ACOG the tritium red chevron bullet drop reticle, seems like a waste for my 16" AR but it is awesome. I also rock the EOtech EXP3-0 and plan on getting the G33 for it, but I'm going to be using this combo for my AR10 build as a backup for the Mark 4 8.5-25x Illum TMR.

Get a red dot, upgrade with a magnifier if you want to later or just consider getting a decent magnified scope if you end up wanting to reach farther with more precision.