Would this be a good scope for an AR15 ?

[HK Dave]

Where are your proving grounds Dimitri? Just curious if you're also going to throw in some plane tickets and a hotel for him to try out a $150 optic. Because if that's the case, please count me in.

[Packy14]

we'll to me it seems you are telling him to drop a Rolls Royce Motor into a Pinto. More than $600 on a scope for a AR15 is just ridiculous!

I see people at the range with 14x scope and they are less than 100yds away. I just smile.

That eliminates every acog.... So no I don't agree. As for PA, they show Cali no love with rebuilds and will never see a penny from me, they can keep their Chinese made wannabe optics.

[Full Clip]

PM sent your invited to our proving grounds. Your welcome to shoot it.
Dimitri

Appreciate the notice of my comment and the generous, stand-up offer.
I'll look into this as schedule permits.

[PrimaryArms]

Where are your proving grounds Dimitri? Just curious if you're also going to throw in some plane tickets and a hotel for him to try out a $150 optic. Because if that's the case, please count me in.

So no plane ticket drive your butt over here.
1000 palms
Garner valley
Souther California

Everyone with gun safety is welcome to shoot it.

"No flagging"

Dimitri

[HK Dave]

LOL Dimitri, I had no idea you were in CA, and pretty close to me. I always thought you were far far away. In that case, you're offer is quite respectful and generous and I retract any statement of sarcasm I had made earlier.

One of these days I will have to take you up on that.

[PrimaryArms]

LOL Dimitri, I had no idea you were in CA, and pretty close to me. I always thought you were far far away. In that case, you're offer is quite respectful and generous and I retract any statement of sarcasm I had made earlier.

One of these days I will have to take you up on that.

There has been a few Calguners that we have met up with and have shot it.
The ACSS is a different animal. We went to extreme measures assuring the BDC,ranging,leads and wind are dead on! PM me when you want to shoot it. We normally start at 600-700-800

I shot this with
M193 16" upper 5 rounds @600


2-3 mph wind M193 600-700 yards


5.45 out of a Siaga with 6x 10-12 mph wind! Guys with Ak74 and 7n6 its on!!



Retired Recon Marine with UDT's to prove it lol shooting Prism version
soon to be out
He did this at 600 using M855 5-5 rounds






Active Navy
And pic cropped upon request.
15 rounds M855 at 600 yards 10 hits 5-7mph first group wind took it! 6x



X Army





600 yards
In 10-15 mph wind!


Dimitri

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Yea, that's way to much. Irons out to 600 for me. After that I need a little help. I use an 8-32X NXS on my AR to reach out to 1000 yards.

I can't even get my head around that concept. 300m targets in Army basic training were completely covered by the front sight post. I had perfect vision and I had a hell of a time lining those farthest targets up. How does one see anything clearly at 600 yards, much less put accurate fire onto it?

[PrimaryArms]

I can't even get my head around that concept. 300m targets in Army basic training were completely covered by the front sight post. I had perfect vision and I had a hell of a time lining those farthest targets up. How does one see anything clearly at 600 yards, much less put accurate fire onto it?

Back in the days Marines did it at 500m
Thats 545 yards. For me I almost lollypop the target and have it on top of post then right on it. But I hear you its very hard to do. Todays Army Marines use Acogs to qualify and complain about wind lol. Its why we added the wind dots they are a must in windy conditions.

Dimitri

[OpticsPlanet]

Med to long range

OP, its all about what your needs are and what you're comfortable with. Some shooters like a low range variable when others will want medium variable range, etc. That being said, everyone is different. I have shot irons out to 400m on an AR. I can certainly do it, but I prefer the magnification now. Fundementals have been learned and practiced over years, so I prefer the optics now. At 400 yards, I like a scope up to about 10x. Right now I have a Nikon M223 3-12x42 on a AR platform and have no problem walking it out to 600-650 yards. Ive sat a a bench and shot after shot rang a 10'' plate at 600 with it. BUT, thats me and what I am comfortable with and with that platform, thats acceptable to me.

Airgun shooters need a precision scope at 33 feet...and you alot of them sport a Leupold EFR 6.5-20x. This is a $700 scope on an airgun. These guys are intense about it though. and at 33 feet, they can shoot keno card numbers out without touching the lines. They are that good. If you think thats not hard...try it. These guys like the higher and need the higher magnifcation and when they will pay for the most dependable and repeatable turrets.

GAP makes the GAP 10 308 AR. I think they guarantee it to about 5/8'' moa? $2500-$300 AR rifle. I dont own one, but if I did I know I'd be the weak link in the setup...meaning, I have a 5/8 MOA gun I want a repeatable scope, duarable scope, and great glass and lens coating quality. I want to know every time I click that turret its exactly that .1 Mil/1/4 MOA/etc...the glass to be perfect. I want to know if I was every off, it would be my human error. So, it would be a NXS/PR/S&B/etc. But, thats what I would choose if I ever save up the money for that kind of money before blowing it....


Sorry for the long wind response. Point being, make sure you know the criteria of what you like and want. We all can tell you what works for us, but dont take that as law...sum it all up and use it a resources. When I speak to a customer on the phone, I get every feature they like, I want all the criteria that appeals to them, to best find options that meet what will work and what is comfortable to them. Magnification, objective size, reticle, style of shooting, type of shooting, SF/AO, turret click, internal adjustment range, distance shooting, etc. There are a lot of choices out there and its not difficult to choose a few that really fit what YOU like, need, and want.

[PrimaryArms]

OP, its all about what your needs are and what you're comfortable with. Some shooters like a low range variable when others will want medium variable range, etc. That being said, everyone is different. I have shot irons out to 400m on an AR. I can certainly do it, but I prefer the magnification now. Fundementals have been learned and practiced over years, so I prefer the optics now. At 400 yards, I like a scope up to about 10x. Right now I have a Nikon M223 3-12x42 on a AR platform and have no problem walking it out to 600-650 yards. Ive sat a a bench and shot after shot rang a 10'' plate at 600 with it. BUT, thats me and what I am comfortable with and with that platform, thats acceptable to me.

Airgun shooters need a precision scope at 33 feet...and you alot of them sport a Leupold EFR 6.5-20x. This is a $700 scope on an airgun. These guys are intense about it though. and at 33 feet, they can shoot keno card numbers out without touching the lines. They are that good. If you think thats not hard...try it. These guys like the higher and need the higher magnifcation and when they will pay for the most dependable and repeatable turrets.

GAP makes the GAP 10 308 AR. I think they guarantee it to about 5/8'' moa? $2500-$300 AR rifle. I dont own one, but if I did I know I'd be the weak link in the setup...meaning, I have a 5/8 MOA gun I want a repeatable scope, duarable scope, and great glass and lens coating quality. I want to know every time I click that turret its exactly that .1 Mil/1/4 MOA/etc...the glass to be perfect. I want to know if I was every off, it would be my human error. So, it would be a NXS/PR/S&B/etc. But, thats what I would choose if I ever save up the money for that kind of money before blowing it....


Sorry for the long wind response. Point being, make sure you know the criteria of what you like and want. We all can tell you what works for us, but dont take that as law...sum it all up and use it a resources. When I speak to a customer on the phone, I get every feature they like, I want all the criteria that appeals to them, to best find options that meet what will work and what is comfortable to them. Magnification, objective size, reticle, style of shooting, type of shooting, SF/AO, turret click, internal adjustment range, distance shooting, etc. There are a lot of choices out there and its not difficult to choose a few that really fit what YOU like, need, and want.

Well it all depends if its CQB/medium range self defense then we can all agree the ACSS was made for that and so was the AR15 they go hand in hand. On the other hand its very accurate the moa is true on the glass its self.



We confirmed all the specs are true mathematically and at the range. This chart has orange stickies representing moa at 100 yards converted to inches as you see its dead on! We are consistently hitting targets at 600-700-800 yards with no adjustments just a 100 zero and wind hold overs.

Here is some video of us shooting it

http://youtu.be/nxwaiDeXP8c

Dimitri

[OpticsPlanet]

Well it all depends if its CQB/medium range self defense then we can all agree the ACSS was made for that and so was the AR15 they go hand in hand. On the other hand its very accurate the moa is true on the glass its self.

We confirmed all the specs are true mathematically and at the range. This chart has orange stickies representing moa at 100 yards converted to inches as you see its dead on! We are consistently hitting targets at 600-700-800 yards with no adjustments just a 100 zero and wind hold overs.

Here is some video of us shooting it

http://youtu.be/nxwaiDeXP8c

Dimitri

Dimitri,

I apoligize, but that wasnt my point. Rather than give a customer one option that works well for you or is made for a certain audience, its best to give them options for what they need and want in addition.

I personally don't have a need or want for a fixed 6x scope. I have a TA31 and 4x is perfect for my for the fixed category for an AR. Fixed 35X for load development. I like a low variable for within 300 yards or so, medium for 300-600 +/- yards, etc.

However, this is me and my shooting. I have friends that will only use a M68 up to 300 yards, maybe a 1-4 out to 500+/-. I have customers that just plain like magnification cause their "eyes aren't there anymore" and want a 2.5-16x Bushnell Elite for 100-400 yard shooting. Havent even broke into the differences for a more hunting specific scope, which certain features are nice that differ from target scopes.

OP, make sure the features are what you want and are looking for. There are thousands of scopes for a reason. I think were at 3000 models and counting. Plenty of choices and options for you!!

Trevor B.