Would this be a good scope for an AR15 ?

[CSACANNONEER]

10x magnification on 600yd rifle and I get called the joker?

Yea, that's way to much. Irons out to 600 for me. After that I need a little help. I use an 8-32X NXS on my AR to reach out to 1000 yards.

[1911ShooterPhil]

It depends on the type of shooting you do. I shoot mostly precision so my scopes can often cost more than the rifle.

I guess bottom line, I put all the money I can into a scope first, THEN buy the rifle.

Most rifles can easily be made to shoot sub-moa, but most scopes can not track properly nor do a good job with mirage or resolution.

I am not a precision shooter, so you know more than I in that regard. I am simply an "end-user" of products. I take what I can get, when I can get it, and make do with what I have at hand to do the job required. I need something that I can replace in the field when it breaks, and because of that, I am not inclined to spend $1800 on just a scope. If I were engaging targets at really long range and need sub MOA precision...then that'd be another story.

--1911ShooterPhil

[Iloveguns]

I am not a precision shooter, so you know more than I in that regard. I am simply an "end-user" of products. I take what I can get, when I can get it, and make do with what I have at hand to do the job required. I need something that I can replace in the field when it breaks, and because of that, I am not inclined to spend $1800 on just a scope. If I were engaging targets at really long range and need sub MOA precision...then that'd be another story.

--1911ShooterPhil

The $1800 optic will be 1000% more reliable then your $180 optic. So the need to be able to have a spare in the field is almost negligible. That being said no scope is perfect. I have seen everything go down NF S&B USO you name it. If you are in a die hard position where you need a back up scope quick then you would not want to rely on a $180 scope anyways. Most of the high end scope makers have Lifetime warranties on all there scopes. CS is usually great as well.

[zio707]

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[HK Dave]

The $1800 optic will be 1000% more reliable then your $180 optic. So the need to be able to have a spare in the field is almost negligible. That being said no scope is perfect. I have seen everything go down NF S&B USO you name it. If you are in a die hard position where you need a back up scope quick then you would not want to rely on a $180 scope anyways. Most of the high end scope makers have Lifetime warranties on all there scopes. CS is usually great as well.

Except for S&B... I was pretty ticked when I found out they changed their warranty to 2 years. Jerry Ricker at S&B says he'll take care of us regardless... and I tend to believe him, but what happens when he's not there or gets promoted or something? eek

Why of WHY did Nightforce not make the ATACR FFP?!

Ooops...

[gogohopper]

My initial interest was because I thought I could get a good deal on one. I looked in the forum and didn't see where anyone had used one on an AR15, which is why I asked.

This scope and brand in particular is heavily counter-fitted by China. Just check ebay, or google the model. I suspect that's what I was about to walk into.

Thanks for all the good comments and opinions.

[The War Wagon]

No.

It would be an EXCELLENT AR scope for precision work.

[Justintoxicated]

Yea, that's way to much. Irons out to 600 for me. After that I need a little help. I use an 8-32X NXS on my AR to reach out to 1000 yards.

You must have eagle eyes!
I can't even see a 12" target clear enough at 300 yards let alone 600...



If you want a scope that will track well and hold zero, get the Bushnell G2HDMR. It's all the range for the California Precision Rifle Club.
When buying a scope you want a good reticle, decent glass, reliable zero and tracking.

[1911ShooterPhil]

If you wouldn't put a "nice" scope like that on a gun what would you put it on? There is a reason you pay 1/10th of price for your scope. Also please do tell what type of "combat" those guns are seeing! OP I'm not a fan of Loopys but if you are going to get one make sure the Knobs match the reticle. Mil knobs/Mil reticle.

I'd put an $1800 scope on a real precision weapon like a customized Remington 700 bolt action. Not an AR. But, that's just me.

See...I put a Weaver Classic K 4x38 on a DPMS carbine and Bushnell 3200 10x40 MilDot on a DPMS rifle. I need magnification and steer away from red dots most of the time (my eyesight isn't great). Those weapons & optics were used on security contracts (mainly CONUS, and elsewhere) and for training purposes (just CONUS). They mostly sat around in Pelican cases, but sometimes they got used during walkabouts and for deterrence & defense purposes. If the optics broke, they could easily be replaced. None of the folks my buddies and I did work would pay for optics & accessories, so it came out of our own checks.

At the time, I couldn't afford high end optics, so I went with what I could get via catalog, special order, etc. The Bushnell had a MilDot reticle. The Weaver Classic K was simply a poor man's ACOG (but, with a standard hunting reticle). They both held up okay (until they got banged & scratched up too much, then, they got replaced). Also, take into consideration...when I was doing that type of work, that was around 2005-2009 and thereabouts. Now, sadly, I'm just a desk jockey. All those new, "tactical" scopes and all those other cool gadgets weren't as plentiful and inexpensive as they are today. I had to deal with that I could get my hands on with short notice.

I mean, if your dept./agency/unit/etc. is willing to pay $1800 for a scope, okay, that's awesome...but me, as an individual, even me as a security professional...I cannot justify that type of money when I can use it for other stuff (comm. gear/medical supplies/personal electronics/tactical nylon/etc.), you know? That's just my opinion. I know the precision shooters and long range competitors out there will want better toys...and that's totally fine...but other people have other needs. Some see scopes as tools, nothing more, and tools are meant to be used and abused. Just my $0.02, that's all.

--1911ShooterPhil

[Justintoxicated]

I put a Weaver Classic K 4x38 on a DPMS carbine and Bushnell 3200 10x40 MilDot on a DPMS rifle. They were used on security contracts (mainly CONUS, and elsewhere) and for training purposes (just CONUS). They mostly sat around in Pelican cases, but sometimes they got used during walkabouts and for deterrence & defense purposes. If the optics broke, they could be easily replaced. None of the folks my buddies and I did work would pay for optics & accessories, so it came out of our own checks.

I couldn't afford high end optics, so I went with what I could get via catalog, special order, etc. The Bushnell had MilRad turrets and a MilDot reticle. The Weaver Classic K was simply a poor man's ACOG (but, with a standard hunting reticle). They both held up okay (until they got banged & scratched up too much, then, they got replaced).

I mean, if your dept./agency/unit/etc. is willing to pay $1800 for a scope, okay, that's awesome...but me, as an individual, even me as a security professional...I cannot justify that type of money when I can use it for other stuff (comm. gear/medical supplies/personal electronics/tactical nylon/etc.), you know? That's just my opinion. I know the precision shooters and long range competitors out there will want better toys...and that's totally fine...but other people have other needs. Some see scopes as tools, nothing more, and tools are meant to be used and abused. Just my $0.02, that's all.

--1911ShooterPhil

$1800 isn't that much...Look at the price of a 4x acog. Add Reliable tracking, variable magnification, mil/mil knobs, FFP reticle, zero stops etc and you can easily see why it can cost some money to get something good. I just put a 4-30x on my AR-10. Maybe I don't Need 30x, but I do need to sight the thing in at 100 before I take it out longer. I guess I'll just have to deal with people laughing at me while I zero and find a 308 load that works well @ 100 yards for me before I take it out to 300+

Last time I was shooting at 100 yards with my scoped ar I saw some people sorta smiling heard some comments about how much better their red dots were, cause that's what the military likes to use. When we grabbed our target all my shots were touching and there group was all over the 12" target... Then they wanted to know how I got my rifle so accurate. The thing is, I'm not military I'm shooting off a bench at the range... I can only get so accurate with iron sights, even at 100 yards, so I can't fully test the rounds I have loaded for accuracy. It's hard to tell whart .2gr of powder difference is doing with irons, unless maybe you have a rest, but even then I like to see better. I'm still learning but in order to continue to improve I need more range time, and I need to be able to see what I am doing in more detail.

[GeoffLinder]

I'd put an $1800 scope on a real precision weapon like a customized Remington 700 bolt action. Not an AR. But, that's just me.
--1911ShooterPhil

I would not hesitate to put a $1300-1400 ACOG on an AR, why not use a quality variable for a few hundred more if you want variable mag. A Leupold CQT is only a 1-3x but it costs about 1400 bux. Quality glass is quality glass, everything else is lower class

[1911ShooterPhil]

I would not hesitate to put a $1300-1400 ACOG on an AR, why not use a quality variable for a few hundred more if you want variable mag. A Leupold CQT is only a 1-3x but it costs about 1400 bux. Quality glass is quality glass, everything else is lower class

I would not hesitate either. Quality glass is quality glass. I like quality as much as the next guy; but, sometimes there are other considerations: budget, availability (time), shipping, etc. If I could afford better optics and accessories for my weapons, I would...but, as a consultant/contractor on a budget...I make do and I get by well enough. I have learned to improvise, adapt, and overcome. I wish I had that type of money for just a scope. The Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x50mm is a nice scope with plenty of awesome features. Sadly, it's just not in my budget. I hope the OP is able to make use of that awesome piece of kit, though. --1911ShooterPhil

[GeoffLinder]

I would not hesitate either. Quality glass is quality glass. I like quality as much as the next guy; but, sometimes there are other considerations: budget, availability (time), shipping, etc. If I could afford better optics and accessories for my weapons, I would...but, as a consultant/contractor on a budget...I make do and I get by well enough. I have learned to improvise, adapt, and overcome. I wish I had that type of money for just a scope. The Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x50mm is a nice scope with plenty of awesome features. Sadly, it's just not in my budget. I hope the OP is able to make use of that awesome piece of kit, though. --1911ShooterPhil

If the OP want's to spend, it's his prerogative, but I do agree that you do not have to pay that much to get serviceable AND decent quality too. The lower end Leupolds, the Nikon's, Burris, and several other choices are good bang for the bux. You just have to spend a bit more when you seriously want what the best have to offer.

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