Aimpoint/Eotech VS. Variable 1-4x

[JackRydden224]

I would go with the 1-4x scope for flexibility.

My Burris MTAC 1-4x can operate without a battery which is a huge plus. The illumination is there if I needed but it's nice to be able to pick up my rifle and aim right away. It also has generous eye box so I can acquire targets fast enough.

[grvv]

When I went through train fire in the Army, at 50 yards/meters we never even shouldered our M14's, and I always hit the popup. In Vietnam we used nothing but iron sights, when I got back a friend an I went shooting, he was amazed that I could hit a beer can or very close to it. Are they still teaching the skills or just relying on optics

[hnoppenberger]

1-4 if ya get the triji accupoint, i feel like getting a cheaper make is a waste, eotech still has my vote. iron sights are a close 2nd place too, stiff cheek weld and use the front post as your cqb sight, forget looking through the rears for speed.

[ScottsBad]

I'm looking to put a Leupold Mk 6 Optic on my SCAR-H when I get back. I have heard a lot of great things about it. Mainly the 1-6X CCO to scope.

I've heard some Marine units are issuing those out. The Mk8 is over 2X the price for 1.1X to 8X.

I heard of the issues the SpecterDR's had early on with zeroing but it sounds like they've been all resolved.

Did you guys even read the OP's posting? MK 6 = 2-2.5K, Mk8 = 3k, DR= $2500, yada yada. You guys are full of crap, what are you gonna put those on? Bushmasters? LOL

Back to the issues:

The SWFA 1-4X is a nice scope with illuminated 1st focal plane reticle that is terrific for CQB as well as shots past 100 yards. But new they are like 700-$800. I have one and they are really interesting and flexible in use.

Vortex Viper PST 1-4X is a nice scope that many seem to like a lot. This is a rugged and popular scope.

You can save money by not buying an illuminated scope. You'll get better glass and better build quality.

I would not buy the Leupold Mark AR, these are just VX-IIs. The VX-R is a little nicer, but the auto illumination is troublesome for some folks. Maybe go with a non-illuminated.

The Trijicon Accupoint TR24R is one of my favorites with battery-less illumination, but they've JACKED the price up beyoind your stated budget. I have a TR24R and an older TR21R, these work well as both a fast 25-50 yard scope some medium range capability. A lot of 3Gun guys have run these.

Don't buy a Millet (waste of money). Some folks like Burris, I'm not a big fan. There are some really good scopes that do not have illumination out there.

Since you stated that the majority of your shooting will be from close up I'd suggest that a Red Dot type scope may fit your needs.

In your price range the HANDS DOWN best red dot scope for the money by a long stretch is the Aimpoint PRO at about $400. If you want a red dot get the PRO and you won't look back. This is a battle proven design with very long battery life. When it first came out it was sold to Law Enforcement and Military only. Now it is available to the masses. It is a $400 scope that should cost $550. It is a great deal.

Skip the goofy magnifier, I've got two of these, an Aimpoint and an Eotech and I never use them.

If you must try out the magnifier thing, just get the Primary Arms magnifier. I can pretty much promise you that the magnifier will sit in your bag 95% of the time.

If this is your only rifle, I'd get the Aimpoint PRO or maybe the Vortex.

There are optice specific forums like Sniper's Hide and the one at SWFA. (sorry moderator, jus tryn to help)

Cheers---

[SoCalXD]

Did you guys even read the OP's posting? MK 6 = 2-2.5K, Mk8 = 3k, DR= $2500, yada yada. You guys are full of crap, what are you gonna put those on? Bushmasters? LOL....

Good post and good advise!

After all is said and done, I've found that WEIGHT is my first consideration. Unless I can justify more weight, then a Micro Dot is my goto. Aimpoint T1/H1 if I can afford it on the rig, A Vortex Sparc or a PA Microdot/Bushnell PRS if I can't. At 4-6oz more, I can't justify using my Eotech anymore (nor it's pretty poor optic quality/spec 3x 2nd Gen magnifier). picking up a Pro is a good price to performance solution, if the extra durability over the cheaper and lighter solutions is really needed, yet you can't seem to spend the extra $300 for the durable and ideal weight Micro T1/H1.

I needed some magnification on a LR308, I went with a MTAC 1-4x w/PEPR mount... that thing is a PIG! 17oz scope and 9oz mount... that 26oz is 6oz heavier than my EoTech/3X Combo... ouch! Not a good solution for a carbine, that's for sure! I think NutNFancy's suggestions for using light 2-7x & 3-9x 1" scopes, along with some light rings, is a good way to go for a carbine: 12oz scope, 3 oz rings = light enough to keep a carbine fast. But that is ONLY if you really need magnification. For a primary personal defense rifle in an urban environment, I'd skip the scope and go microdot. I might not be able to ID a target at 400 yards with a red dot, but I can hit it quick if it's shooting at me!

[dart368]

Like one ranger master told me...enough ounces will end up equalling a pound or pounds. With that said, I went with an Aimpoint H1 and a Daniel Defense QD mount for it both used for a nice price. I just got lucky. Thanks for all the advice and comments.

[ddk1]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I'm looking for a scope/optic that I can use on the range for 50 to 200 yards, and that I can also use to occasionally hunt with. I've never been hunting but my father in law offered to go elk hunting in Utah this year.

My thoughts were illuminated 1-4x, or a illuminated 3-9x since I don't know what conditions we will be. But I also want the optic/scope to be useful in 3-gun competitions (ultimately what I see myself doing).

Can you use a 3-9x in 3-gun successfully (paired with 45 deg offset irons)? Or do I buy 2 scopes, 3-9x for hunting and 1-4x for range/3-gun?

[RBurn]

The optics are important, so yes you get what you pay for on the glass. The burris lower end stuff $300 range is made in China, yer need to spend 500+ to get good optics and also how well the unit will hold zero

look at GG&G. package... you get the mount hardware plus the compM3
CompM3 + Cantilever Aimpoint Ring: $575.0

[nbirnbaum2]

They are both great. Go to the store see which one you like. You may hate my acog. And love my eotech.... It's up to you

[shooterfpga]

When I went through train fire in the Army, at 50 yards/meters we never even shouldered our M14's, and I always hit the popup. In Vietnam we used nothing but iron sights, when I got back a friend an I went shooting, he was amazed that I could hit a beer can or very close to it. Are they still teaching the skills or just relying on optics

we still learn using iron sights, then optics and no sights at all in case they both fail. in between all that we learn a lot of tactics used in defensive shooting, 3 gun and police academies. atleast thats how it was for combat engineers.