NEW GUN W/O SIGHTS, WHAT SHOULD I GET?

[Silent909]

Im planning to buy a DPMS Oracle AR 15 223 in a couple weeks but i was told that it did not come with sights. So what sights should i get? i mean iron sights FRONT & REAR.

Thanks

[PrimaryArms]

These are great small compact with BDC 5.56

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_3X_Compact_Scope_PAC3X_p/pac3x.htm

[sholling]

I like folding sights because they leave the option to add an optic later. For a brand I like Troy sights for their rugged construction and low profile when folded. Assuming you'll be mounting the front sight to the gas block I'd call Troy and have them spec you out a set. I know they do have a solution for gas block mounting so be sure to tell them if that's your plan.

[jakejake527]

1. Figure out what you want to use it for...

shooting bulls eye targets (slow and precise) vs man sized targets (fast acquisition)

for precision get a scope.......for fast acquisition get a red dot........iron sights if you want to use iron sights although they are not necessary even as back up


2. Determine your budget

[ExtremeX]

Just depends on what you want, but if you want a set of folding “irons” that are affordable the Magpul BUIS are decent. Metal sights from Arms or Troy are generally more stout.

Personally I don’t run irons… I like my optics due to the type of shooting I like to do.

So what jakejake said applies here.

[Silent909]

These are great small compact with BDC 5.56

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...3X_p/pac3x.htm

Oh thats nice, I'll probably get that but later after my iron sights. thanks for the suggestion

[Silent909]

I like folding sights because they leave the option to add an optic later. For a brand I like Troy sights for their rugged construction and low profile when folded. Assuming you'll be mounting the front sight to the gas block I'd call Troy and have them spec you out a set. I know they do have a solution for gas block mounting so be sure to tell them if that's your plan.

Yea thats what i was thinking. Should i get both folding sights or just the back that folds?

[Silent909]

1. Figure out what you want to use it for...

shooting bulls eye targets (slow and precise) vs man sized targets (fast acquisition)

for precision get a scope.......for fast acquisition get a red dot........iron sights if you want to use iron sights although they are not necessary even as back up


2. Determine your budget

Both, the range and tactical practice/home defense. So you think I should get a red dot that has a magnifier as well? I saw this one video of a guy with an AR 15, a scope that could fold to the side if he wanted to use his folding iron sights. That was interesting.

[Silent909]

Yea like i told jakejake I wanna do both range & tactical/home defense. I could do a scope that folds to the side for the range & iron sights for tactical/home defense but I doubt thats the best setup for both situations

[sholling]

Yea thats what i was thinking. Should i get both folding sights or just the back that folds?

I prefer both to fold but a fixed front sight doesn't really get in the way of a scope.

[Silent909]

I prefer both to fold but a fixed front sight doesn't really get in the way of a scope.

Yea true and if it does then i could just make the scope higher because i was thinking in a tactical situation, Im not gonna have time to flip the sights up and down all the time.

[jakejake527]

1. You can attach a red dot/laser beside your scope at an angled mount. I once mounted a laser underneath the handguard/quadrail with a pressure pad switch and the scope on top.

2. Red dots with magnifiers are ok in my opinion but I enjoy variable power scopes when it comes to precision shooting. magnifiers are fixed power ...7x max ( not high enough for me) with a very limited field of view

3. Can't do everything with one rifle

[sholling]

Yea true and if it does then i could just make the scope higher because i was thinking in a tactical situation, Im not gonna have time to flip the sights up and down all the time.

You wouldn't be flipping them up and down all the time. If you're carrying the weapon and the optic is on the weapon the sights are down, if the optic is off then the sights are up. Troy sights are aluminum and pretty darn solid and I wouldn't worry too much about them unless you just get crazy with your handling. On the other hand Magpul plastic sights feel a bit delicate and in my view are purely backup sights.

You'll probably want to think through what sort of optic you plan, if any. If you plan a good quality red dot or holographic sight or a scope with a true 1x low-end (e.g. Weaver V3 1-3x20, Nikon M-223 1-4x20, or Vortex PST 1-4x24) then the sights are there solely there as backups against a failure. On the other hand if you're going for a high magnification scope in a quick disconnect (QD) mount the sights become your primary CQB sights. True 1x scopes work fine as both eyes open sights but if you go with a higher magnification scope you want it in a QD mount so you can get it the heck out of the way for close quarters.

FWIW even with the front sight up you won't even see the front sight once you dial the magnification above about 2-2.5x. The front sight just disappears.

[Sumo99]

Option 1 - Flip-ups front and rear: Personally, I like Troy sights. I really do not like magpul sights. Not because of the plastic, but I find the sight picture to be terrible.

Option 2 - Fixed sights front & rear: For fixed sights there is Troy, Daniel Defense and LMT. I know there are others, but these are 3 I can think of.

Option 3 - Flip up rear, fixed front

Option 4 - Off set sights: Surefire (Deuck) sights, JP and a few others. If running a scope, you don't have to worry about flipping them up or taking off your scope 1st. Just cant the rifle 45 degrees and you can use irons.

[Silent909]

1. You can attach a red dot/laser beside your scope at an angled mount. I once mounted a laser underneath the handguard/quadrail with a pressure pad switch and the scope on top.

2. Red dots with magnifiers are ok in my opinion but I enjoy variable power scopes when it comes to precision shooting. magnifiers are fixed power ...7x max ( not high enough for me) with a very limited field of view

3. Can't do everything with one rifle

Yea clearly I need 2 rifles haha one for closed tactical and one for precision