rail and optic help

[jeffreyliu838]

I have a 16 inch carbine AR15. I've got a fsp with a folding sight and I want a rail that can accommodate that (something like this but cheaper https://danieldefense.com/rail-syste...p-carbine.html). I won't be mounting any lasers on the rail, just a small grip and a flashlight so I don't care about tolerances between rail and rifle too much. I'd prefer a modular type rail but I can't find any that will accommodate the fsp. Lke this. http://www.vikingtactics.com/rifleac...alpharail.html

I like the DD rails because of the shape. They fit my hand very well. I understand that they are durable, proven etc etc, but again, I don't need the precision. In fact, I really don't even need it to be free floating (although it would be preferred). I care more about ergonomics than anything else. My priorities are ergo, accommodation of fsp, price, free floating, modularity (like that vtac rail). Is there a reliable way to mount a grip and light with just plastic handguards? I'd want my light offset at the 2 o' clock.

For optics, I'm looking at something variable. Hybrids are fine with me. something around 1-4x. Is there anything wrong with getting a cheapo magnifier? The UTG ones are really cheap. I'm thinking like an aimpoint m4 and a utg magnifier. Or maybe a trijicon accupoint. Or maybe I'll just save some cash and go with a vortex sparc.

Thanks.

[HK Dave]

For the Rail, in that design, from what I know, it's either DD or Centurion Arms. There is no "cheaper" version.

Change out your FSP to a low profile gas block and you open up an entire world of rails.

If you're thinking Aimpoint M4... take a close look at the SWFA SS 1-4x or Vortex PST 1-4x. They're both near or around the price of an Aimpoint M4 and will give you a real 1x, and with a twist of the magnification dial, you get 4x.

Don't get UTG or any chinacrap optic if you can help it.

Vortex Sparc is gtg... so is Primary Arms Microdot if you're trying to save some money.

[jeffreyliu838]

What's wrong with using a cheap magnifier? You wouldn't use a magnifier at night so fov doesn't matter too much, and it's not like it's hard to make fogproof waterproof monoculars (which a magnifier basically is).

I really dig this fsp. I love it too much to get rid of it.

I'll check out those sights, thanks.

[ch3ck5ix]

How about this? http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html...ution-7EX.html

[jeffreyliu838]

My god. That is perfect for me. Know any places with good deals on it?

[ch3ck5ix]

OP - Samson has a 7" and 9" model -- make sure you get the right length for your upper. Also, it'll work with standard FSB but you may have to cut off the swivel sling and/or the bayo lug.

[HK Dave]

Oooh the Samson is beautiful. You should jump on that. They make good kit.

As for "what's wrong with a cheap magnifier"... if the magnifier does not resolve well... and all it does is blurrily magnify the picture... then it's basically doing nothing for you.

Do you remember growing up, those cheap magnifying glasses that made things appear bigger but didn't actually show you any more detail? Kind of like that.

[HK Dave]

It's too bad that Samson wouldn't work on a pinned 14.5"... it would go great with my lightweight setup.

[ch3ck5ix]

It's too bad that Samson wouldn't work on a pinned 14.5"... it would go great with my lightweight setup.

HK Dave -- have you looked at the JP Modular Handguard? They have a free-float tubular handguard (#JPHG-4M) which you can add an extension with a cut-out for the FSP (#JPHG-EXT) http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.4_hg_mod.php.

Another alternative is the Apex 2150: http://www.apexhandguard.com/store.p...=347061#images

[jeffreyliu838]

Wow not a fan of the apex, but that jp is right up my alley too. I can't find any pics online with both items installed which kinda sucks, but I'll think about that one as well. The samson needs bayonet lugs andswing swivels removed (sawn off in my case... which I don't mind too much) does the same go for the jp? Is the JP easy to install?

[ch3ck5ix]

Wow not a fan of the apex, but that jp is right up my alley too. I can't find any pics online with both items installed which kinda sucks, but I'll think about that one as well. The samson needs bayonet lugs andswing swivels removed (sawn off in my case... which I don't mind too much) does the same go for the jp? Is the JP easy to install?

My guess is that you may have to modify the FSB for any of these handguards. I don't own any of them but did a bit of research for a tubular free float rail that would fit my piston upper (no luck). You asked a question and I gave you a few leads -- I can't vouch for any of these, you'll have to do your own research.

You want pics of the JP/VTAC... Google is your friend:

http://demigodllc.com/photo/WC3G-2007.02/small/D101_0200_img.jpg

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j467/msb2199/AR15/DSC_0005.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/DSCF9161.jpg

[HK Dave]

With the JP can you get all the components on without removing the fsb?

[jeffreyliu838]

Why is the rifle in the third pic shorter? I only see one extension that jp enterprises makes.