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  • Psychbiker
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 1671

    Totally Lost with MOA and Scope talk

    I'm looking at AR 3gun competition scopes and many I see are 1x4 MOA scopes and seem fairly expensive.

    I came across Ultradot scopes are the gun show and the Matchdot 1x2,4,6,8 MOA.

    What dose that all mean? The scope can be a 1x2, 1x4, 1x6, and 1x8 MOA scope?

    What the difference above with a 1-8x scope?

    What max distance would a scope like that be going out too?
    Last edited by Psychbiker; 09-08-2012, 10:25 PM.
  • #2
    EvolutionGSR
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1556

    Im not sure what ultra dot is, but it sounds like they are talking about the size of the dot, not the power of magnification on the scope.

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    • #3
      Black Majik
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 9695

      Originally posted by Psychbiker
      I'm looking at AR 3gun competition scopes and many I see are 1x4 MOA scopes and seem fairly expensive.

      I came across Ultradot scopes are the gun show and the Matchdot 1x2,4,6,8 MOA.

      What dose that all mean? The scope can be a 1x2, 1x4, 1x6, and 1x8 MOA scope?

      What the difference above with a 1-8x scope?

      What max distance would a scope like that be going out too?
      The Matchdot is a 1x scope available in different reticle sizes: 2, 4, 6, or 8 MOA dot. At 100 yards, the dot would cover approximately 2", 4" 6" or 8", or for those who are going to correct me 2.094", 4.188", 6.282" or 8.376".

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      • #4
        ExtremeX
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 7160

        Originally posted by Black Majik
        The Matchdot is a 1x scope available in different reticle sizes: 2, 4, 6, or 8 MOA dot. At 100 yards, the dot would cover approximately 2", 4" 6" or 8", or for those who are going to correct me 2.094", 4.188", 6.282" or 8.376".
        ExtremeX

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        • #5
          dieselpower
          Banned
          • Jan 2009
          • 11471

          1 inch @ 100 yards is 1MOA
          So 1 MOA @ 300 yards is 3 inches

          4 Inches @ 100 yards is 4 MOA, so 4 MOA @ 300 yards is 12 inches (3x4=12)

          A 1 MOA dot is ridiculous in my opinion. It offers no value over a 2 MOA dot, but can't be seen as well. The 1 MOA dot in the center of a EOTech reticule has a 65 MOA circle aiding your eye in tracking it.

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          • #6
            CSACANNONEER
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            • Dec 2006
            • 44094

            MOA = Minute of Angle. It is close to 1" at 100 yards but, that is not the definition of it. A circle has 360 degrees. Each degree is divided into 60 minutes. 1 moa is an agular measurement NOT a linear measurement at a certain distance.
            Last edited by CSACANNONEER; 09-09-2012, 8:44 AM.
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            • #7
              dieselpower
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              • Jan 2009
              • 11471

              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
              MOA = Minute of Angle. It is close to 1" at 100 yards but, that is not the definition of it. A circle has 360 degrees. Each degree is divided into 60 minutes. 1 moa is an agular measurement NOT a linear measurement at a certain distance.
              Yes but in this case the stated MOA is the size of a dot as viewed through glass and referenced at 100 yards.

              Its not the same thing.

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              • #8
                CSACANNONEER
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                • Dec 2006
                • 44094

                It actually is the same thing. A 2 moa dot will cover a circle which measures 2moa at any distance. OK, the circle or dot is actually a conical 3D shape and not just a 2D angular measurement. However, the conical shape of the dot coverage is directly related to the angular measurement.

                Did that make sense?
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                • #9
                  dieselpower
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                  • Jan 2009
                  • 11471

                  Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                  It actually is the same thing. A 2 moa dot will cover a circle which measures 2moa at any distance. OK, the circle or dot is actually a conical 3D shape and not just a 2D angular measurement. However, the conical shape of the dot coverage is directly related to the angular measurement.

                  Did that make sense?
                  yup..100%

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                  • #10
                    CSACANNONEER
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                    • Dec 2006
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                    Originally posted by dieselpower
                    yup..100%
                    Good because, I got confused typing it. I really need some caffine and a walk.
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                    • #11
                      dieselpower
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 11471

                      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                      Good because, I got confused typing it. I really need some caffine and a walk.
                      No it makes sense when you put it that way, people just don't view it like that.

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