Everything You Would Want to Know about a Aimpoint ML2 Copy

[MAX100]

My Aimpoint copies are made in China and very made made. I don't care what anyone thinks.


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[maxicon]

Yes, the StrikeDot is the old Hakko Tacpoint, made in Japan, now sold by Ultradot. It's been around for quite a while in one form or another, and has a decent, but not great, reputation. The original Ultradots are better.

[DRM6000]

i don't want to get into the argument, but i'd like to express my thoughts.

i refuse to knowingly and intentionally buy imitation products whatever they may be. knock-offs are inferior products, period. there is no comparison to the real thing no matter how hard you try to compare them.

i'd rather pay significantly more (however much it may hurt) to buy the genuine item. part of what you pay for is the support the company offers in the event the product breaks or malfunctions. heck, most of the time there is even somebody nice enough to help in the event of an operator error.

[FlyingPen]

I don't side with either way but I did hear an interesting argument about this.

Basically, it forces companies to innovate even faster and accelerate their product cycles, a good for consumers. The same thing happens in fashion.

Was browsing that site, is this any good or is it crap?

http://www.airsoftvanguard.com/index.php?p=6&lang=en&id=153

How are their reflex sights?

[maxicon]

The scope in your link is a cheap Chinese 4x scope in a body that looks like an Acog. You could get the same thing buying a normal Chinese 4x32 scope for half the price, but it won't look tacticool.

This is true of most Chinese knock-offs. You're not getting a clone, you're getting a look-alike. That is, it may look the same, but internally, it's unpredictable what you've got. This works better with red dots, as the optical quality is much less critical than with magnified scopes.

As far as innovation, that really only works where the knock-offs are functionally similar. For instance, knock-off Eotechs are just LED red dot sights, not laser holosights, so there's really no incentive for Eotech to innovate due to the knock-offs. Their competition is the Aimpoint, with its far superior battery life (which you don't get with the knock-offs).

If you're going to buy a knock-off, you're better off with a knock-off Aimpoint, as you get similar functionality (that is, a red dot in a co-witness package), without the extreme battery life or battle tested reliability. With Eotech or Acog knock-offs, you get LED instead of laser (for Eotech) or mediocre glass (for Acog). You still don't get the reliability or battery life.

[MAX100]

I agree with maxicon post.

They do make a Holographic Eotech copy but they cost $210. I wouldn't pay that when you can have a Bushnell for about the same cost.

Also the Leupold M3 and M1 copy scopes on the Airsoft wedsite are not comparable the the real thing. Stick with the Green lasers, mounts, Aimpoint copies and magnifiers. All of these are good quality.


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[Romak]

ok im liking the look of a cheaper Aimpoint. but i dont like the idea of buying one from a site with Airsoft in it. did you get your actual clones from this site or is this something you found after you already had them. i just want to know if they are the same quality as the Tacpoints or the sightmarks. and who i would contact or if at all they have a warrinty. the more im looking the more i like these.

http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=400&products_id=1057

[maxicon]

The Sightmark's another decent look-alike, according to people who use them. The one you linked to is in a low mount, and won't work well on an AR without another mount, but will be fine on a traditional rifle.

Another inexpensive look-alike that gets good reviews (I have one that has worked fine so far) is the 1337tactical model:

http://1337tactical.com/shop/productview.php?productId=111

It's cheaper, at $75, and comes in either a high or low mount. The guy who sells them provides good support if you get a bad one. There's someone selling one for $50 shipped on the arfcom EE, but it'll be gone very quickly.

[Romak]

cool thanks i think im gona get the one from 1337tactical. ive read a couple of good reviews on it. im not to much worried about the mount, im going to be putting it on an AK anyway. i just dont see the point in spending more for the scope than the gun is worth..... thats y i aint gona get the real deal, might be a differant story if i was getting it for an AR.

[jthai]

Got mine awhile back and still haven't used it yet. Here are some comparison pics next to my buddy's Comp M3.

[zcktomcat]

I don't see what the problem is. People who buy the Chinese clonepoint is because they can't afford to drop a ridiculous amount of money on a quality sight. So even if aimpoint were to sue and stop the clonepoint production, the people who would have bought an clonepoint aren't going to go buy a sight that costs 4 times as much. They will buy some other sight in their price range. If anything it helps their sales because it just give them more exposure and make people who see them want a real one.

[MAX100]

ok im liking the look of a cheaper Aimpoint. but i dont like the idea of buying one from a site with Airsoft in it. did you get your actual clones from this site or is this something you found after you already had them. i just want to know if they are the same quality as the Tacpoints or the sightmarks. and who i would contact or if at all they have a warrinty. the more im looking the more i like these.

The Airsoft website is completely safe I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't. I use to sale the AP copies and I bought many from the owner of this website. He is located in Hong Kong China and also sales on Ebay and has a Ebay store. The quality of these AP copies are the best. They are the same ones I have on my guns. You pay by PayPal. If you are not please PayPal will give you your money back Guaranteed. They always side with the buyer. PayPal is owned by Ebay.

Go back and read my review. "All" of the AP copies coming out of China are made by one manufacture Xdoptics. They are a firearms optics manufacture and also make the mounts and flip open caps that go on them. Click on the Xdoptics link I posted and read their website info.


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[maxicon]

It turns out that some of the name-brand Aimpoint look-alikes, like the Burris, are made in Korea, and are considered better quality than Chinese.

It's an interesting paradigm shift, and there's a similar one in cheap guitars - the Korean ones are the hot ticket, and are considered to be better quality overall than the Chinese ones - "just as good as the big name brands, and a whole lot cheaper" is something you hear on the cheap guitar forums.

[FlyingPen]

It's generally the way it goes.

I would prefer to drive a German car, then a Japanese car, then a Korean car... I'd never drive a Chinese car until they at least get up to par in safety ratings with a Hyundai.

That said, I am expecting delivery of 2 of the 2x magnifier clones...

[MAX100]

maxicon It sounds like you are going on what you have read and not actual experience. If you tried one of the China AP copies you would have a different perspective. The Burris Xtreme Tactical SpeedDot XTS-135 Red Dot Sight is made in Korea and only has a average rating on Midway USA. It cost 4 time more than the China made AP copies and it doesn't come with a ring mount. The AP copies cost $50 and has hundreds of excellent feedback ratings on Ebay and come with very nice mounts.

Chinese manufactures can make some very nice quality products but the USA importers do not want to pay for that quality. They want China to make things dirt cheap and that is what they do. The high quality Millett TRS-1 scope is a prime example of what China can do when a US company sets high standards and is willing to pay them to make a quality product.


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