laser help

[drifter001]

so im thinking of adding a laser to my ar. can you guys give me feedback on whats good and whats garbage etc. im sorta on a budget so something good that is descently priced would be perfect. i saw this on rifle gear http://www.riflegear.com/p-1035-lase...alue-pack.aspx
do you guys know if this is a good deal/worth getting. thanks again in advance

[TacticalTed.com]

OK, admittedly I am biased but that seems an awful lot for a red laser. I'm sure it will work fine, but too pricy for my taste. For that kind of money I would want at least a green laser (which is easier to see in bright light) with a light attached. I have been using a NcStar red laser for over a year now with no problems. I use a remote pressure switch and attach the chord to the picatinny rails with small, thin, black tie wraps. Done properly they are virtually invisible. We sell the one I use for $20.99. Has held it's zero - virtually no problems. Like I said, I'm biased but you will enjoy having a laser. Works great for low light shooting, especially for pest control.

[LBDamned]

with all due respect - what do you intend to use a laser on an AR for?

I presume you shoot distance while at the range (in which case you wont see the laser)... and would imagine you plan to use pistol or shotgun for close quarters (in the event of home invasion or even shtf close quarters) with rifle for distant threats if necessary...

I know there are commando wannabes that insist an AR can be used like SWAT and special forces... lets be real though - an average citizen will never need a laser on a rifle. In daylight you wont be able to see it and even in low light, chances are your intended target (if rifle is used) will be so far away that you wont see the laser.

If you intend to use an AR in the event of a home invasion - hmmm...

just my .02

[drifter001]

with all due respect - what do you intend to use a laser on an AR for?

I presume you shoot distance while at the range (in which case you wont see the laser)... and would imagine you plan to use pistol or shotgun for close quarters (in the event of home invasion or even shtf close quarters) with rifle for distant threats if necessary...

I know there are commando wannabes that insist an AR can be used like SWAT and special forces... lets be real though - an average citizen will never need a laser on a rifle. In daylight you wont be able to see it and even in low light, chances are your intended target (if rifle is used) will be so far away that you wont see the laser.

If you intend to use an AR in the event of a home invasion - hmmm...

just my .02

haha i dont necessarily NEED one i just think it looks real cool mounted on an ar. i have prob no use for one but its just one of those "i just gotta have it because it looks cool" kind of things lol

[LBDamned]

haha i dont necessarily NEED one i just think it looks real cool mounted on an ar. i have prob no use for one but its just one of those "i just gotta have it because it looks cool" kind of things lol

in that case - just get the cheapest thing you can find... if it stops working after one range trip, oh well - it's the "look" that you're after.

[drifter001]

in that case - just get the cheapest thing you can find... if it stops working after one range trip, oh well - it's the "look" that you're after.

hahaha thats what im planning

[TacticalTed.com]

LBDamed - Spoken like someone who has never used one. You CAN easily see a laser in daylight. I use mine regularity in the subdued light of the evening woods. Green lasers can be viewed in brighter light. In case of a home invasion I have a light and laser mounted to my firearm - identify and aim simultaneously. Beats the hell out of any other type of sighting system for that situation hands down! As far as not being able to see a laser at long range, again wrong. In the evening I can see my red laser for hundreds of yards.
No disrespect intended, everyone can have their opinion, but what I just stated are facts. If interested, I address this topic in by blog.

[LBDamned]

LBDamed - Spoken like someone who has never used one. You CAN easily see a laser in daylight. I use mine regularity in the subdued light of the evening woods. Green lasers can be viewed in brighter light. In case of a home invasion I have a light and laser mounted to my firearm - identify and aim simultaneously. Beats the hell out of any other type of sighting system for that situation hands down! As far as not being able to see a laser at long range, again wrong. In the evening I can see my red laser for hundreds of yards.
No disrespect intended, everyone can have their opinion, but what I just stated are facts. If interested, I address this topic in by blog.

Not only have I used them, I have them on two primary HD pistols. They are great for indoor close quarters - but can't see shyte outside in daylight at distance (when IMO a rifle would be used). At night the dot is visable, but unless you have hawkeyes it is not visible at distance.

Yes green is more visible in daylight (I have red) - but at distance forget it. Of course if you have a scope or magnifier on a rds then you'd be able to see it - but IMO its pointless to use a laser when you are looking throughout a rds or rifle scope.

BTW; "daylight" and "subdued light of the evening woods" are not exactly the same thing. And I find it very hard to believe you can see a tiny dot "for hundreds of yards"

[TacticalTed.com]

Actually, the subdued light of the evening woods does classify as daylight, it shure as the dickens isn't night, and I wasn't refering to twlight. By the same token I wasn't refering to high noon. I was very specific in what daylight I was referring to. Perhaps I do have "hawkeyes", as I CAN see that bright dot at hundreds of yards in the evening. I stand behind everything I said in my post.
By the way, with the laser co-witnessed to a scopes cross hairs it effectively makes a magnified red dot that works very well in low light situations. Been there, done that.

[LBDamned]

just curious... do you endorse these items you sell?

http://tacticalted.com/?view=productPage&product=207&category=13\

http://tacticalted.com/?view=productPage&product=208&category=13

also, why are none of the product manufactures mentioned? Who makes the items on your site?

it's pretty clear you are biased - so I wont bother to debate the use of the laser... I would advise the OP to put one through it's paces and make up his own mind (I suspect he will understand my posts afterwards).

[OpticsPlanet]

Hey Guys, just want to jump in here. The Unimax is a nice laser, we sell quite a bit of them and do not see many on returns. Nice this about them is they hold a dual purpose being that they are easily mountable on a rilfe and many pistols. If you ever plan on throwing is on a pistol for a while it would do the "two birds with one stone"

Are lasers ever needed on rifles? Depends on circumstances. We sell a few green lasers a year to hunters who are leagally blind but dont want to give up the sport, before you start laughing, you can hunt with a green laser and be blind. You have a spotter RIGHT behind you helping you and if you sight in your laser accurately you can still keep up with the past time you love.

I bought a 44 Deset Eagle cause because I wanted it, so bottom line, if you want one pick one up. Its your rifle, your money, and your choice. Good idea to stay with a laser that has that dual ability to go from pistol to rifle easily though.

Trevor B.

[TacticalTed.com]

When you can't win with the facts, you change the subject and start with the personel attacks (sounds like a politician). I think this ta-de-ta has gone far enough and is degrading. We'll let the viewer decide the merits of the case. Enjoyed it!

[LBDamned]

When you can't win with the facts, you change the subject and start with the personel attacks (sounds like a politician). I think this ta-de-ta has gone far enough and is degrading. We'll let the viewer decide the merits of the case. Enjoyed it!

I presume you are referring to me... and if so, you are exhibiting "the politician" demeanor more than anyone here.

There is no point going around in circles about the same issue - I stand by my points as do you - but like a politician you'd rather debate and rehash for days over the same crap. Which is why I suggested the op put one through his paces and draw his own conclusion (as he will then understand my posts).

In the mean time - you conveniently ignored my question about the products you sell. Talk about changing the subject! That's was the most politician-esque deflection in this entire thread... I'm curious about those items I linked from your website - they are completely relevent to the thread topic... and your response will give a lot of insight to your credibility.

So please respond to three posts up (I'm typing from phone otherwise I'd re-post the links).

BTW, "TacticalTed" - I'm going to call you out on something else... you realize that the "Vendors" on this site pay for their status right? That allows them to promote their websites and sell products here... I notice how you slip in links to your website and blog (which also has links to your website) while you state your (admitted) biased views. I'm sure folks like OpticsPlanet and many others dont appreciate paying Vendor fees when guys like you are slipping in advertising for free. (shady like a politician).

[brando]

I think your definition of daylight doesn't fit what most people think of and by telling someone that lasers are effective in daytime you're just misleading people.

Lasers are not reliable in what most people consider daylight (ie when the sun is visible) because they are washed out. The only exception I can think of is the most high powered mil-grade lasers and at that point they're crazy bright at night. However, they are a valuable aiming aid in LOW LIGHT conditions. Not NO light, but LOW light. The reason being in LOW light you can still generally make out your target but you will have difficulty acquiring it with iron sights. With an RDS, a laser doesn't really help much (that's why I think they're better for pistols). However, all of this changes if you're using head-mounted night vision, in which case your irons and optics will be useless for the most part. In that case, a laser is king...and ideally an IR laser.

[HK Dave]

To piggy back off of Brando in response to TacticalTed...

Daylight visible does not mean at dusk or deep in the woods or in a cave spelunking with a bit of daylight peering through... it means BRIGHT FRIGGIN MIDDLE OF THE DAY daylight.

When the average person says "daylight visible"... that is what they mean.

Having said that... I've never seen a red laser that is daylight visible in DAYLIGHT.

To the OP... you'd be better served with a red dot sight... which has the same function as the laser without emitting the laser.