EOTECH VS ACOG

[JimA77]

I have an EoTech 517 on my AR with a Vortex 3x magnifier and I love the setup. My point about the guy on M4CArbine is that he tried to kill the EXPS 2 and didn't really succeed. I'm not an operator and don't plan on trying to emulate one. The 517 fits my needs just fine. The ACOG looks interesting but I can't justify the cost to myself.

[Big bug]

Eotech's realistically probably in the 500 range. Trijicon t-31's 850 on the cheap (got to search really hard). Eotech faster sight acquisition uses batteries good for 100-200 yards. Trijicon beyond 200 (barely depending on your eyes) no batteries sight magnification. Eotech unlimited eye relief. Trijcon looking at 1.5-2 inches.
CLOSE RANGE...EOTECH... REACHING OUT A LITTLE FURTHER... ACOG...
Yes I have both and have used both.

[sbkarmen]

Acog FTW, I have an eotech with 4x DM Premium magnifier with Larue FTS mount.

If I could do it again I would have simply slapped on an acog.

The Magnifier adds more weight and it's annoying when Flipped to the side, so you may as well remove it. I'm not in the military or running special ops missions so I pretty much know when a magnifier will be needed.

The clarity of an acog is amazing.

As far as batteries I don't really care, I run CR123's which are not as prone to leaking as crappy AA batteries. I have had the same batteries in my eotech since I started shooting with it a few years ago.

Exactly, get the ACOG! I've got em' all the Trijicon rocks!

[vintagearms]

If I had to pick just one, it'd be the ACOG, hands down. Much better reticle with a bit of magnification. It works fine in close quarters, with ample training.

Training has nothing to do with it. The EOtech or Aimpoint will always be "faster" on target over the ACOG which is why you see Dr. Optics above the ACOGs.

[problemchild]

Acog gets the job done out to 700 yards.

https://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=419373

[dart368]

It was said once before, how about a 1-4 variable scope which gives you the best of both worlds. I like the features of the Trijicon Accupoint models. It gives you the versatility of a variable scope with Trijicon quality. The sight is fiber optic, same as the ACOG uses and it also has a tritium night sight built in so no batteries to worry about. Just my two cents. But I am no expert. I have used an Eotech and I really like it a lot. I have used an ACOG but it just isn't versatile enough for me for close range. Good luck in your search.

[MrPlink]

ACOG + off set Larue mount w/ Aimpoint T1. Best of both worlds and super fast to switch over

also the heaviest and bulkiest

[tacticalcity]

It was said once before, how about a 1-4 variable scope which gives you the best of both worlds. I like the features of the Trijicon Accupoint models. It gives you the versatility of a variable scope with Trijicon quality. The sight is fiber optic, same as the ACOG uses and it also has a tritium night sight built in so no batteries to worry about. Just my two cents. But I am no expert. I have used an Eotech and I really like it a lot. I have used an ACOG but it just isn't versatile enough for me for close range. Good luck in your search.

If most of my shooting were range shooting, hunting, or open battlefield stuff (basically over 50 yards) then I am guessing variable power like the Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x? would be the ideal way to go. I'll probably end up with something like that on my Recon/Backup rifle eventually. Not anxious to spend that $500-800 when I already have my M4 tricked out.

My average shot when training is 15-25 yards out. Because that is where most training courses have you shooting from. A 200 yard shot during an carbine course is unheard of. You are training for self defense, not open battle field combat. So for the kind of shooting I do both a fixed power scope like an ACOG or a variable power scope like the ACCUPOINT are a bit of liability. The tube affect from the variable power does slow you down a bit when on 1x. And the magnification of the ACOG definately slows you down. Both give you a bit of a head ache over time. For that kind of shooting, a red dot or holographic sight without magnification of an elongated tube is king.

The problem with Doctor sights on the ACOG is that they dramatically increase the height over bore effect. The distance between the sight and the bore of the rifle changes point of aim point of impact. The closer you get, the more dramatic the effect. Suddenly you are aiming way over the guys head just to get a head shot. Or aiming at his head just to get a chest shot. It is one of those things that sounds great in theory but sort of lets you down in real life.

I am not saying both the ACOG and ACCUPOINTS are not really nice. I am just saying they are less than ideal for how I like to train with my rifle.

[HK Dave]

Tacticalcity, have your tried an swfa 1-4 with donut reticle or vortex with donut?

[RenoActiveShooter]

ACOG for distance. Aimpoint for CQB

+2

EoTech will have dead batteries when you need it most. Or it will have automatically turned off when you need it. The Aimpoints can stay on for years- so change the battery once a year and never worry.

[MrExel17]

ACOG for distance. Aimpoint for CQB

+2

[tacticalcity]

Tacticalcity, have your tried an swfa 1-4 with donut reticle or vortex with donut?

Nope. Heard good things about the Vortex brand. And SFWA had great success with their SuperSniper brand for entry level precision shooters for many years now. I would like them more for bench resting and range whoring (I don't hunt but if I did that too). I will definately look into both when shopping for scope for my Recon / backup rifle. I like magnification for longer 100+ yards. The farther out the more magnification the better for my old eyes. It is not that I can't get good hits with a red dot at longer distances. I just can't confirm I'm getting good hits until after the fact or a spotter tells me so. If its steel or loose cardboard I can hear or see the hit, but I can't see exactly where the hit is at the time. Too much "faith" involved.

For CQB type stuff like you do during a carbine course I would avoid the elongated tube designs. You can get lost in it when raising the rife to point in and when looking into it at any angle but darn near head on and straight ahead. That is time when you might otherwise have a shot with another optic. There are a lot of guys who use them and like them and swear by them. It's just not for me. Maybe it is for you though. Maybe it will fit your style of shooting perfectly. We're all different.

I found fault with the micro sight like my Primary Arms on my backup and the Aimpoint T-1 for a similar reason. The window is so small that the usable surface area where the dot appears is significantly less than on sights with larger windows. There is wide range of shots you otherwise would be able to take in a pinch that you can't with them. The more surface area there is on that glass the more usable it is at odd angles. I am not saying those sights suck or anything along those lines. Again a lot of people use them with great success. I am just pointing out an issue I experienced and why I prefer the larger window of the EoTechs or full size Aimpoints.

The comment about the EoTech battery life on the previous page is a major exaggeration in my not so humble opinionated opinion. I've run the EoTech 8 hours a day, for a week straight without turning it off during those 8+ sessions. No issues. I've got the same battery in it now after a year and it is still running strong with many long training sessions in there over that year. Yes, you get longer battery life with an Aimpoint, but the EoTech battery also lasts a very long time. The other poster made it sound like it runs for 2 hours then dies like some of those Airsoft clones. That simply is not the case. Plus it has a much faster to pick up reticule than the Aimpoint. I often fount the EoTech reticle still usable in situations where the Aimpoint would have and did wash out on me thanks to its design. Would I put in a new battery before each deployment or if I were about to go on a raid and I hand not put in a new battery in a while? Sure. Just to be safe. But I would do that with an Aimpoint as well for the same reason, just to be safe. It just makes good sense.

[cprieto]

You can also mount your ACOG and have an offset Aimpoint mounted at the same time... Not sure Id do it but it's an option (Daniel Defense and LaRue both make a nice mount).

[Americanel]

i have a rem r-15 rifle , 223. right now i have a nikon 3-9 scope, i was thinking of a eotech {which model i dont know ) or a acog ta31. has anyone used both?

hello, have you thinked to buy Elcan Specter DR 1x/4x? i have thinked to buy acog m150 but for close target i think is not good, ppl in that threat have write, close combat better eotech/aimpoint, more long range acog. i think Elcan is a multipurpose acog with reticle.

p.s. sorry for my english

in italy have found an Acog m150 for 1785$, the Elcan dr 1x 4x (5.56) cost near 2800$...damn

[Packy14]

I have an eotech XPS 2.0 + 3x magnifier... still have acog envy. Maybe if I had a bdc xps i'd feel differently, but weight wise and durability wise, when I can afford it, a TA31RCO is gonna be mine! The eotech will end up on an AR pistol or my AR-22.