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  • Jicko
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2005
    • 8774

    Scope setup help for Rem700

    I went to test my .308 loads today, they are OK with 5 rounds group @ 100yds about .875"

    But I've got a problem.... my scope on my 700PSS is a Leupold Tactical PR 3-9x40mm Duplex. It took me 2 complete turn + 2.5 MOA to get ZERO @ 100yds. And all I have is probably another 16MOA adjustment only. I am worried that I will have some troubles next weekend. (according to JBM, the drop would be like 25MOA/209" @ 800yds.....)

    What can I do??

    I have Leupold Standard 2 piece Base & Standard Rings

    Probably these:

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    rksimple
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    • Jan 2006
    • 6257

    Get a better base and rings. Leupold hardware isn't known for superiority, especially the products you linked to. You may be having problem with things being square and alligned. I would wager its the hardware thats out of whack rather than the receiver bridge.

    Get a one piece 20 MOA base. I have a Seekins and love it. Badger is the most popular, but you'll pay for it. Warne makes a nice canted base as well. For rings, the Burris extreme's are great for the money. Same with TPS. I've had good luck with a few different lower-end Weaver and Burris rings, but its a crap shoot with those as to what you get.

    If you have the money, Seekins or Badger rings and bases will almost guarantee success. If you can get them this week, you're more than welcome to come up Friday evening and zero at that private range. Good luck.
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    • #3
      Jicko
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      • Dec 2005
      • 8774

      The problem is.... whether I can get them THIS WEEK..... :-(

      So, on a Rem700PSS .308 platform, people generally DO need 20MOA base?
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      • #4
        rksimple
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        • Jan 2006
        • 6257

        Originally posted by Jicko
        The problem is.... whether I can get them THIS WEEK..... :-(

        So, on a Rem700PSS .308 platform, people generally DO need 20MOA base?
        Depends on the scope being used and to what distance you intend to shoot. If you had something like a Bushnell 3200 10x or Super Sniper, both with 100+ MOA internal adjustment, you'd probably be OK. A 20 MOA base gives you more flexibility at extended ranges.
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        • #5
          Jicko
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2005
          • 8774

          Is there ANYTHING I can do to my existing setup? Shim it? Or something like that?

          Theoretically, my scope only have 56MOA adjustment (from the specs)

          I will be up in the area FRI nite.
          Last edited by Jicko; 09-02-2007, 6:09 PM.
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          • #6
            acousticmood
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            • Aug 2007
            • 228

            Did you use a bore sight to start with?

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            • #7
              rksimple
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              • Jan 2006
              • 6257

              Normally, I would say switch the rings around, but I don't think you can do that with your rings. Short of shimming, or getting different rings, I think you're stuck.
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              • #8
                Fjold
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                • Oct 2005
                • 22904

                A piece of soda or beer can for a shim under the rear mount should give you more than enough room for a temporary fix. If you can find a set of Burris Zee insert rings they will solve your problems as they have three sets of varying offset inserts.

                Just remember to follow the directions about using the inserts in sets and keep in mind you want to raise the rear of your scope to get you more adjustment room up.
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                • #9
                  Mute
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 8545

                  Just for next weeked, you can shim it until you have enough adjustments to get you out to beyond 800 yards, but I recommend getting the 20 MOA base now for your future needs.
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                  • #10
                    Elarski
                    Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 128

                    What part of San Diego do you live? You might try The Toy Store.

                    They probably have something in stock that will cure your woes.

                    Might be pricey, but you'll be ready for next weekend. Good luck.

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                    • #11
                      Jicko
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 8774

                      Originally posted by Mute
                      Just for next weeked, you can shim it until you have enough adjustments to get you out to beyond 800 yards, but I recommend getting the 20 MOA base now for your future needs.
                      Guys, thanks for the info. If I have enough time, I think I will go get a true 20MOA base and some better rings. And probably a better scope.

                      Now, can one of you tell me if I have to come up with a temp fix, HOW FAR do I have to raise the rear? Is 1 piece of soda can good enough?
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                      • #12
                        rksimple
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                        • Jan 2006
                        • 6257

                        Originally posted by Jicko
                        Guys, thanks for the info. If I have enough time, I think I will go get a true 20MOA base and some better rings. And probably a better scope.

                        Now, can one of you tell me if I have to come up with a temp fix, HOW FAR do I have to raise the rear? Is 1 piece of soda can good enough?
                        I'd just try one first. The more you move it, the more the rings will be out of allignment and the more torque you'll be putting on the scope tube. The nice thing with the Burris ring inserts is that they self allign making the whole setup a little more "stress free."
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                        • #13
                          Jicko
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                          • Dec 2005
                          • 8774

                          Just did a simple math.

                          20MOA = ~ 20" @ 100 yds (3600")

                          My 2 rings are 2.7" apart (center-to-center)

                          So, simple trig, all I need to raise the rear is 0.015" to achive 20MOA, or 0.023" to achive 30MOA.

                          I may try the "aluminum can" method......
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                          • #14
                            Pthfndr
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                            • Oct 2005
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                            What the heck is a "Leupold Tactical PR 3-9x40mm Duplex"?

                            I've never heard of a Leupold Tactical model scope with a duplex reticle.

                            Do you have a model number? Model type? i.e. VX, VariX, MR/T, LR/T, etc.

                            For right now, if this is a 1" tube (not 30mm) and you can't find a 20 moa base, get a pair of Burris Signature Z rings and some offset inserts. Most of your better gun stores probably carry them.
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                            • #15
                              Jicko
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 8774

                              Originally posted by Pthfndr
                              What the heck is a "Leupold Tactical PR 3-9x40mm Duplex"?

                              I've never heard of a Leupold Tactical model scope with a duplex reticle.

                              Do you have a model number? Model type? i.e. VX, VariX, MR/T, LR/T, etc.

                              For right now, if this is a 1" tube (not 30mm) and you can't find a 20 moa base, get a pair of Burris Signature Z rings and some offset inserts. Most of your better gun stores probably carry them.

                              Leupold Tactical Mark 4 PR 3-9x40mm w/ Duplex



                              It is just an older scope. They discontinued that "Mark 4 PR" line now. They are going with the new "Mark 2" economy line now, and I think they also are getting rid of the "non tactical" reticles for the "Leupold Tactical" scopes.

                              It is a 1" tube.
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