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  • #16
    tacticalcity
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Aug 2006
    • 10917

    Originally posted by AlliedArmory
    For my rear BUIS I usually just put a MBUS on it. Cheap enough and why not?
    They aren't the easiest things in the world to use. The diamater of the hole is off and it usually is not a perfect circle. Its just plain hard to use.

    Another major downside to them is the break often. Had two break on me before I said screw these things I'm sticking with metal sights. And I am pretty mechanically inclined and gentle with my gear. So it they will break on me, they'll definately break on somebody who is hard on their gear. If they have not broken on you, that just means you've been lucky. Give it time. The base of those things are cut way too thin, cause a weak point where the largest part of the rail inserts into them the deapest. It is a HUGE problem. They snap off not only during installation and removal, but when your rifle gets smacked against something at the wrong angle. Which lets face it, if you were using it for more than a range whore could easily happen.

    I would be a much bigger fan of them if the A2 sight itself was metal and the base that slips onto the rail were metail. The rest could be plastic and it would not have the issues they have.

    Not saying they are the worst option out there. Just saying they have 2 very major flaws.

    They are a big seller, but they do break a lot on my customers. Thankfully Magpul has a warranty, but that is always a hassle and I always feel bad for my customers who have to deal with that.

    I tried to stop offering them, and I literally got hate mail from people. They want these things, and they want them badly enough to call you jerk if you don't offer them. They don't care that a decent percentage of them break. That want them and that is all there is to it. So I offer them. Who am I to argue, right?

    There is lot of irony surrounding these sights that I have witnessed first hand and figured I would share with you since you are plugging these sights which while affordable, are far from perfect. But you are not alone in liking them. Lots of people do.
    Last edited by tacticalcity; 07-02-2010, 4:25 PM.

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    • #17
      JaeOne3345
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 949

      Originally posted by novabrian
      This is just to have some sort of sights on it.I don't have the money to buy any iron sights.I have a rear LMT but it's missing the mounting piece and they wont sell me it.
      I have a mint set of MI flip up sights. The rear is the standard ERS and the front is the HK style. They have been used for less than 500 rounds. We could work something out for a good deal. I am out in the Chino/Corona area.

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      • #18
        SVRider
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 1914

        Originally posted by C.W.M.V.
        There are Infantrymen in the Amry right now that have never had to qualify/shoot with iron sights and its disgusting.
        Seriously? That is troubling at best. I can't believe that they would qualify without irons.

        They are the only sights that will always work no matter what. All the new electronic stuff may be nice to have and allow faster shooting, but all are prone to failure and usually at the worst possible moment.

        I can't believe that they would have people qualifying without being able to do so with irons.

        Just sad...
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        • #19
          Chester
          Banned
          • Apr 2010
          • 1256

          I went through basic at Ft. Knox around 2003 with a bunch of other Cavalry with brand new A4's and scared to death to even mention red dots as a replacement for our irons for fear of being in the front leaning rest for the next hour. But then I found out our drill sergeants got demoted for being too hard on us too, so whatever.

          The guys that never qualified on iron sights were probably the same cooks and mechanics I saw get requalified as 11B's, fast-tracked through a 3 week training course, and SNAFU'd over Iraq later that year.

          Pisses me off actually...

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          • #20
            45R
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 2028

            Irons and RDS have their place. RDS are typically good out to 300 yards although with practice and knowing your hold overs you can extend the range of your RDS. I run a T1 and a RAC 600M rear on my rifle.
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            • #21
              mif_slim
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Apr 2008
              • 10089

              I don't think a rds can ever replace iron sights. I have plenty rds around but I only use them for plinking. shtf, I would never use a weapon equipped with rds only. it has to have iron.

              for me, it's either iron or scope. rds is just for fun.
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              It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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              • #22
                gatopardo
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 10

                red dot

                Originally posted by novabrian
                I have an AR that I built for my wife and I am trying to figure out what to do about sights.I have a red dot I can throw on but can that completely replace any sort of iron sights?
                Can it completely replace the iron sights? completely is a dream come true, just put the rifle in front of your face and start shooting.
                but just a warning, been there and done that, conclusion; Dad loves red dots, wife likes iron sights
                What happened to the red dots? they are back in their boxes lol.
                Last edited by gatopardo; 07-15-2010, 8:35 PM.

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                • #23
                  GM_77
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 594

                  Second post pretty much nailed it since I think you were looking to use it as a range rifle.

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                  • #24
                    Fyathyrio
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1082

                    Use the K.I.S.S method...

                    Which does your wife prefer? That's what you should go with since it's her weapon. If she does prefer the red dot...easy day, get the flip up iron sights when you can. If she prefers iron, then she'll have to wait until you can get them for her.
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                    • #25
                      HCz
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 3295

                      For plinking only, RDS itself is fine, but I'd rather get both. I also experienced dead RDS(EOTECH) on the first day of the class. Thank god I had BUIS.

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                      • #26
                        tacticalcity
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 10917

                        Originally posted by novabrian
                        This is just to have some sort of sights on it.I don't have the money to buy any iron sights.I have a rear LMT but it's missing the mounting piece and they wont sell me it.
                        I've seen lots of people have this problem. I suggest posting a request for help in the gunsmithing section. Several members here have machine shops in their garages. They could machine you the missing part. Most do that sort of thing for fun. Just buy them lunch or kick them a few bucks to cover their expenses. Make a new gun buddy for trips to the range on Saturday.

                        They'll appriciate the project. You'll get a sight you can use.

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                        • #27
                          turbogg
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1248

                          Originally posted by Omega13device
                          An RDS is easier to shoot with if your vision makes it difficult to focus on the front sight.
                          That is so true. That's why I got my Eotech. BUIS are always a recommended way to go, that way you're GTG no matter what.
                          "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them" -Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            Gallows
                            Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 346

                            Never in my military career have I used optics. Every time I qualified, it was with Iron Sights. So optics are a new animal to me. Putting one on my first AR build along with irons so I'll see how that goes.

                            The first time I heard of people using ACOGs and EO-Techs to qualify literally had me doing this
                            Anyone wanna go shooting?

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                            • #29
                              Donk310
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1798

                              Originally posted by C.W.M.V.
                              NO WAY!
                              There are Infantrymen in the Amry right now that have never had to qualify/shoot with iron sights and its disgusting!
                              HAHAHA. Not in the Marine Corps!! Oooorah!
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