ACCUPOINT TR24 vs BURRIS XTR-14

[RaymondMillbrae]

If some of yall have been following my madness, you will know that I am on the hunt for a good sight for my new POC P415-14-PSX9-223, AR rifle.

I seem to have been massively swayed towards the BURRIS XTR-14 scope, as it seems to be the current "Cat's Meow".

But as I was looking around, I came across the TRIJICON ACCUPOINT scope.

And I found them both going for the same price.

Darn! I am at a crossroad again.

Can someone sway me in one direction, or the other?

Does one sight have something competitive shooters prefer over the other. (The reticle, the ruggedness, 24mm vs 30mm, etc...).

This is the 4th of July "sale weekend"...so I would like to jump on any bargains before they are gone.

Thanks.

In Christ: Raymond

[45R]

If I had a choice and they were both the same price, I'd be all over the Accupoint.

[duraglock]

Trijicon hands down. Favorite scope no batteries to ever die. Bright during the day or night.I think there is a super deal on a new one in the for sale section.

[RaymondMillbrae]

Reticle preferences...and why?

In Christ: Raymond

[mocos]

If some of yall have been following my madness, you will know that I am on the hunt for a good sight for my new POC P415-14-PSX9-223, AR rifle.

I seem to have been massively swayed towards the BURRIS XTR-14 scope, as it seems to be the current "Cat's Meow".

But as I was looking around, I came across the TRIJICON ACCUPOINT scope.

And I found them both going for the same price.

Darn! I am at a crossroad again.

Can someone sway me in one direction, or the other?

Does one sight have something competitive shooters prefer over the other. (The reticle, the ruggedness, 24mm vs 30mm, etc...).

This is the 4th of July "sale weekend"...so I would like to jump on any bargains before they are gone.

Thanks.

In Christ: Raymond

should take a look at the bushnell 4200 1 x 24 ..30mm tube german # 4 with illuminated dot....looks like the trijicon 1x24....but at 1/3 the price......just took delivery on one..very impressive given the price I paid...

[RaymondMillbrae]

Sorry,

I forgot to post that it is being mounted onto a POF AR-style rifle. (Gonna be used for tactical 3-gun).

My "long range babies" already have exceptional scopes.

In Christ: Raymond

Update: I read that Mike (Liberty Optical) said it is not a robust scope. What does that mean? Not beefy and sturdily made...or easily damaged?

[RaymondMillbrae]

OK,

I'm sold on the Trijicon TR24-3G!

They are pretty new, so everyone is selling them for $765.00 with free shipping.

Anyone know who is having a sale on these?

In Christ: Raymond

PS: FYI: I was initially going to post this in sights, optics... But since I am going to use it for 3-gun competition, I wanted feedback from other 3-gun shooters...if possible.
PSS: Darn! I just realized that my original limit was $450.00 to $500.00. Look what you guys did to me.

[TMC]

Taran Butler uses an Accupoint. If you don't know who he is google

2 of the top 5 guys at the Ironman used an Accupoint.

[SuperSet]

Raymond,
I don't think anyone is having a sale on these yet since they are new and in short supply. Btw, if this will solely be a dedicated 3gun optic, don't forget the Meopta.

[Religious Shooter]

The 1-4 Accupoints don't have hold overs built in to their reticles.

I had a 1.25-4 with a triangle and found the lack of hold-overs to be a detriment.

Honestly... I think Taran wins inspite of using the Accupoint.

At the local match in Piru, the only time he is ever beaten on a stage is if the stage has long range targets.

[RaymondMillbrae]

QUOTE: Honestly... I think Taran wins inspite of using the Accupoint.

This is so true.

I was talking to my buddy a while back, and we were discussing the advantages/disadvantages of genetics.

For example: You can get two guys that weigh the same, give them the exact same workout routine, have them lift the exact same amounts of weight/repetitions - but yet one will turn out like Schwartznegger in his prime, and the other will look like Barney Fife.

Or get two guys that weigh the same, give them the same cycling routine - and one will be a Lance Armstrong, and the other wilL not.

Or have two guys practice every day on their trigger pulls and speed DRILLS, give them the exact same routine - one will be a Jerry Miculek, and the other will not.

It's all genetics. These guys that excell have a genetic predisposition to excell towards their personal (genetic) attributes and strengths.

And that's not all. Give them the technological advantage (carbon-fibre aerodynamic bikes, sweet Smitty's with custom triggers, or top notch weapons)...and they are untouchable.

It's all genetics.

As for me, I just want to take advantage of the technology, and give myself a boost. My meat-eater days are in the past, so now it's just taking life easy and enjoying it while it's there to be enjoyed.


Religious Shooter,

I was also meditationg on the fact that it is missing holdover points.

Having shot long-range for many years, I am pretty profecient with holdover points.

But I am assuming that shots under 300 yards will not give me too much of a problem. (900 yards and over...now that's something else)!

Kudos, again, for cool responses. (From all of yall).

In Christ: Raymond

[Yar]

Lack of hold over points is not as big of an issue for most instances that we have to shoot for 3 gun. Typically if you got your zero figured out with say a 69 or 75 grain bullet zero'ed at 30 or 35 yards your holding top middle or bottom of the plate at various distances. Were usually shooting a generous 10" or 12" plate no further than 350 yards (for most matches in CA). Every once in a while we go out to the low 400's. Where I think the triangle recticle really shines is the close range hoser stuff. It's like a big front sight and it's just easy to use as our brains are already wired for it.

If I shot tactical I would go with the TR24, but I shoot open so I opted for something with more magnification (The TR20)

[Religious Shooter]

The new version of the Burris is supposed to have a daytime visible red dot (grywlfbg has posted on on another forum that it is almost as bright as the Meopta). The horsehoe on the XTR is supposed to be 6 MOA.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/pdf/XTR_Ballistic556.pdf

The XTR reticle is bigger than the 4 MOA (?) triangle found on the TR21/4.

That 6 MOA horsehoe is probably going to be just as fast as the 4 MOA triangle on the Accupoint.

The only thing the Accupoint has over the new Burris is that it doesn't need batteries.

[ar15barrels]

I had a Trijicon TR-21 with the triangle and I did not like it past 100yds.
The triangle blocks out too much of the target which makes it more difficult to hold over.
Some people have more trouble with this than others though so maybe it's just me...
While waiting for the new german #4 reticle to arrive, I happened onto too good of a deal to pass up on a Burris XTR1-4.
I used to shoot an Acog TA01NSN so I really appreciated the ladder reticle.
I mounted the XTR and it's been awesome.
The Accupoint with the german crosshair is now a spare optic for me.

Though the TR-21's are a little smaller and they are only 1.25x on the low power, it's really the reticle design that matters the most.
The difference between 1.25x and 1x is hard to tell if you are not looking at a measuring tape or a grid.
The horseshoe on the XTR is very fast, without blocking the view of targets at long range.
It's sorta the same principal as the Eotech, a small dot for precision and a big circle for close-in speed.

Another thing you don't hear about is the power rings.
On some stages, you will start at low power and then turn the scope up for long range targets.
On the Trijicons, you have a very small ring that changes the magnification.
There are levers available that will clamp around the ring to give you something bigger to move, but then you have this tail hanging off the gun all the time.
On the XTR, the whole eyepiece turns. The eyepiece is around 3" long so there's lots to grab.
This makes magnification changes really easy.

[mecam]

Raymond, nice meeting you and glad you were able to check out Chabot's 3gun match today. Don't rule out the Meopta w/ the R&R throw lever.