Scope help for the 700 5r

[dlouie87]

I'm trying to find a good starter scope for my 700. I was looking at the bushnell 6500 2.5-16 but I really like the leupold mark 4 LR-T 4.5-14x40if I can find a good deal with rings and a base. Any suggestions would be great.

also mild dot or standard duplex? It's going to be mostly bench shooting from 200-600 yards.... I would like to go longer when my shooting capabilities allow me too.

Also, on the side note....I do need a scope to finish my SPR build. Would the new Mark AR from leupold be ideal? or get something else?

-Dan

[Jicko]

$350 shipped. Leupold Mark AR 3-9x40 Mil-dot. This scope will take you a LONG WAY.

For the 5R, grab this scope first, if you REALLY don't like it, pass it onto the SPR, and get a $1500 Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 MLR reticle, MIL knob.

For more info.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=193473&highlight=Leupold+Mark

[dlouie87]

^^^ the mark AR is made for a .223 right? how would it hold up on the Remy 700?

also what mount should I use with that leupold? the Larue SPR (LT104 30) mount? or something else?

[dlouie87]

any more opinions? how about a bushnell 6500? or maybe a used mark 4?

I'm trying to get 2 scopes and I need help with the mounts/ring sizes.

[Stockton]

USO,S&B,Nightforce,Leupold,Nikon. Getting a fixed or variable will depend on your type of shooting and your vision. A mil reticle is great, if you know how to use it properly. Probably not worth it if it will only be used to 300yd are so. If thats the case just get a duplex or target dot.

Verify you elevation so you'll know to get a 20moa base or not.

[5150Marcelo]

Either way, PM Scotty at *Liberty Optics* and he'll do you right. Best prices around. Also get a set of those Seekins rings and an EGW rail for it too. Scotty hooks it up.

[THT]

My 5R sports a Super Sniper 16X which has served me well out to 400yds (purchased after SWFA bought the brand from Tasco). I just wish I had more time to shoot it...

[Jicko]

^^^ the mark AR is made for a .223 right? how would it hold up on the Remy 700?

also what mount should I use with that leupold? the Larue SPR (LT104 30) mount? or something else?

The Mark AR will serve you fine on your 5R as a start..... low cost, which has a crystal clear glass, mil-dot.....and it will hold up to 308 without any issues at all..... it is SIMILAR glass/design as their older Mark 4 PR 2-9x, and the current Mark 2 3-9x. I have friends using those on their Rem700s, and they worked well for them. Until you are more familiar with the game, and is willing to drop more money for a nightforce 3.5-15x or 5.5-22x.

You should get a good 20MOA base (badger, nightforce, leupold MK4 alike), and a good set of 30mm rings (again, badger, nightforce, leupold MK4 alike), and just get a badger "30mm->1in" converter for now.... so that when you are ready to move up to a 30mm scope (NF, NF, NF....), you can reuse the rings....

Or you can get a good 20MOA base, and just get set of TPS 1" rings, or even cheaper, maybe, Burris Tactical (but I really don't know much about low cost rings, so you better do your research...)

[dlouie87]

Awesome. I think I'm going to keep looking around and see if there are any other options out there. But the Mark AR looks pretty good. Does anyone know who sells Falcon Menace scopes?

[tacticalcity]

There are two schools of thought here. Both as valid.

FIRST SCHOOL OF THOUGHT - GET THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD AT THE MOMENT: If you have another rifle, or plan to have another rifle in the future that you can use this scope on if and when you decide to upgrade to a higher-end scope then getting a middle of the road price-range scope is a good idea. However, make sure it is the scope you truly want for the other rifle and you are not settling. For example, a Trijicon Accupoint is not the ideal scope for a .308 sniper rifle, but it will do for now...and it would make an excellent scope for a .223 AR. I say this because scopes are much harder to sell and get your money's worth out of them than other firearms parts. Whenever I try and sell one of my personal scopes that I only used a few times I always loose my shirt, and I get dealer cost on them...so you would really get creamed. Whatever you get, plan to keep it if it costs more than $120.

SECOND SCHOOL OF THOUGHT - SAVE YOUR MONEY & GO CHEAP SINCE YOU DO NOT PLAN TO KEEP IT FOREVER: If you are looking for something just to hold you over while you save up for say a Leupold Mark 4 or a US Optics (in otherwords something worthy of your rifle) I would say grab something truly cheap as far as price goes just as a stop gap measure. For example, while I get dealer pricing on a wide range of optics, I decided get a $99 Vector Optics 4.5-14x56 scope to hold me over while I save up for the very expensive scopes I truly want. All I need it for is target shooting, not true tactical use. And it does that job just fine. When the time comes to sell it, if I don't get $89-99 for it...I did not loose much. If it dies on me...I did not loose much, but I doubt it will.

Doing this allows me to spend more money tricking out the 4 firearms I am currently building. Eventually I will be getting a Leupold Mark 4 for my CMMG AR10, a Trijicon Accupoint for my CMMG Seal Recon Rifle, and a C-More Red Dot Sight for my AR Pistol (chose it over Aimpoint and EoTech because of the 3 it is lower profile and more concealable...this is a pistol after all). If the Vector Optics scope holds up, it will find a home on my CETME (Tricked out like an HK G3). If not, oh well...not a big loss.

I used to own a Leupold Mark 2, the scope they based the Mark AR on. When the time came to upgrade to a Mark 4, it took me 2 months to sell it, and I lost my shirt big time. There just is not a big market for them. When I sold the Mark 4, I only got dealer cost for it...and it was still in factory condition. People will spend a fortune on their rifles, and then expect to get their optics for free.

KEY THING TO REMEMBER: If you are not 100% happy with it before you buy it, you're going to end up selling it. So make absolutely sure you have a long term need for what you buy (even if it is just to pass it on to another rifle) or go dirt cheap. Aiming for the middle just means you'll end up waisting money.

FYI: I was impressed with the Vector Optics scope. It is by no means a $1K+ scope. But it holds it's own with everything I have ever seen priced below $400. I would pick it over Super Sniper and Counter Optics any day of the week. You get more than you pay for. It's a decent stop gap option.

[rksimple]

The problem with buying the best you can afford right now is that you don't necessarily know what you want. By starting off with something reliable but more economical, you can see how you are going to realistically use your rifle and make an educated decision from there.

The Leupold AR scope is not bad from what most have said. Its too new to know for sure. The bushnells are nice and the quality is there. Nikon makes a decent product as well.

Do you only plan on bench shooting or do you see competition in your future? Do you plan on multiple targets, stationary targets, moving targets, etc? 800+ yards eventually?

[maxicon]

Yeah, I agree with rksimple's approach. If you already know what you want, go for the gusto, but if you're just starting out, go with an affordable, quality name brand that will let you get a good bit of your money back when you upgrade.

I'd hate to buy a $1000 scope only to find out I didn't really like it. There are many great beginner's scopes out there that are reasonably priced. Then, when you do upgrade, you'll appreciate the new scope that much more!

I like to buy used Leupolds, as they've already taken the hit on resale value, and the risk is very low, due to their lifetime warranty and excellent support (plus there's a ton of them out there).

My Mk4 PR 3-9x40 was only $330, and included $100 Mk4 rings. Sure, it wasn't a very popular model, and it had a few marks, but it's a mil-dot tactical Leupold with VX-II glass and target turrets for a great price. I'm happy with it.

I also don't mind ring marks or dings. I'm looking for functional, not pristine, and am happy to save a few hundred bucks for someone else's marks. I'm going to use it, and it'll get marked up anyway.

YMMV, as always!

[dlouie87]

ok.

After a couple days of looking around, I think I'm going with the Leupold LR/t mark 4 for the 700.

-The only questions I have is that how would that scope quality stand side by side with the bushnell 6500 4-14? And would at the t1 turrets really necessary or worth it for the extra 200 bucks?

Now for the SPR build, I might just go with the mark AR for now..... but I know i'm going to upgrade. Should I just get the bushnell 6500 for that later and not get a scope now?

These are the scopes that I narrowed it down to:

Leupold mark 2 AR vs. Bushnell 3200/4200

Leupold mark4 (non exposed turrets) vs. the bushnell 6500 tactical vs. Burris XTR.