eotech EXPS3-0 vs EXPS3-2

[FluorideInMyWater]

not sure what to get. when i watch POV videos you can barely see the 2nd dot on the 3-2.

i get that the 2nd dot helps with range estimation but it seems to be counter intuitive. the top of the target stays on moa ring 1 and you use moa ring 2 to range.

on the 3-0 the target is always fixed to the very bottom of the 68 moa ring and seems to work more like a BDC, where as the 3-2 works like.........nothing i've ever seen.

anyone have comments and preferences? would love some feedback before i drop $650
(although i always buy thru amazon.com b/c i can always return it. i just rather get it right the 1st time)

[anthracite]

Sounds like you already decided on the 3-0.

[FluorideInMyWater]

no, i have't decided. i wanted to hear from someone who finds it adventageous to have 2 reticles rather than 1. maybe it is. i don't have the knowledge or experience to know. i just recognized that the 3-0 seemed more like a BDC IMO.
but if there is really an advantage to 3-2 i'm willing to learn. the youtube majority or knitwitz have said that 3-2 is better......

[HKAllTheThings]

-2 reticle is for your 500 yd BDC drop, if you need it.

But, if you really need BDC, you want to get the -4 reticle instead since it actually has usable drops.

[FluorideInMyWater]

-2 reticle is for your 500 yd BDC drop, if you need it.

But, if you really need BDC, you want to get the -4 reticle instead since it actually has usable drops.

i think the diagrams that they show are confusing me.
example. the 1 dot shows all the targets pinned to the center and downward
the 2 dots show everything pinned at the bottom of the 68 moa circle and then move upward.

the question i have is...
if you ignored the second dot on the 3-2, and zero'd both scopes at 50 yards, would you still aim the scope at the same place to hit 400 yards? is the second dot really just more of a ranging reference, or are the scopes both calibrated differently b/c of the 1-dot & 2-dot reticles?....yeah, that's really what i'm asking. are the 3-0, 3-2, and 3-4 all calibrated the same, but with more or less moa-dots for referencing?

[HKAllTheThings]

They all that the center dot but the -2 has the 500yd dot underneath it and the -4 has the 400, 500 and 600 yd dots.

[FluorideInMyWater]

They all that the center dot but the -2 has the 500yd dot underneath it and the -4 has the 400, 500 and 600 yd dots.

right. correct. but what i'm asking is, if you aimed the 3-0 at the same places on the 3-4, would you be hitting the same spot? or is each one calibrated differently according to the reticles?
or........are they all the exact same scope with the exception of the reticle having 2 or 4 dots (for reference) or is each scope calibrated differently according to what reticle is has?

[HKAllTheThings]

[anthracite]

i think the diagrams that they show are confusing me.
example. the 1 dot shows all the targets pinned to the center and downward
the 2 dots show everything pinned at the bottom of the 68 moa circle and then move upward.

the question i have is...
if you ignored the second dot on the 3-2, and zero'd both scopes at 50 yards, would you still aim the scope at the same place to hit 400 yards? is the second dot really just more of a ranging reference, or are the scopes both calibrated differently b/c of the 1-dot & 2-dot reticles?....yeah, that's really what i'm asking. are the 3-0, 3-2, and 3-4 all calibrated the same, but with more or less moa-dots for referencing?

right. correct. but what i'm asking is, if you aimed the 3-0 at the same places on the 3-4, would you be hitting the same spot? or is each one calibrated differently according to the reticles?
or........are they all the exact same scope with the exception of the reticle having 2 or 4 dots (for reference) or is each scope calibrated differently according to what reticle is has?

[rodralig]

I genuinely believe you are overthinking this.

You zero all of them based on the center dot. Therefore when using that center dot you should hit the same spot when aiming with the center dot, because that’s your zero.

As their diagrams show, the additional dots are just convenient BDC markers.

My setup is the 2-2 which I got for $450 OTD last Black Friday sale.

I don't need the first "3" as I don't require NV compatibility and for my AR15 - the effective range, even with a 3x magnifier doesn't require going past the second dot for drop.

I mean, the lowest part of the circle is for close quarters at 7-yards, the center dot at 50-yards, and the 2nd dot at 500-yards.

For the 223/556 caliber - the two dots simplify even ranging - half-circle is average height of person at 200-yards.


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[HKAllTheThings]

Outside of NV, one other reason to get the EXPS model over the XPS is the QD lever and 1/3 cowitness.

[FluorideInMyWater]

i overthink everything.........lol i am the antithesis of a compulsive buyer.
i'm shopping for presses and processors and it's making me mentally ill trying to get it all correct and the reconsile the price with my brain. lol

[snacks]

i prefer the single dot setup on an eotech reticle. If i were to shoot longer distances i would probably use something else, but my eyesight is no longer as sharp as it used to be. I find the single dot less busy for me. I've tried the -2 on my brothers rifle. It's a nice setup in conjunction with a magnifier. But the magnifier makes the entire setup much heavier.

If you have good eyesight you may benefit from the -2 with no magnifier setup. But if you have astigmatism i would recommend checking one out before committing to a -2.

My experience was without the magnifier the two dots were just a blob. With the magnifier they were much clearer. I decided to just go with a regular red dot since i can't see the two dots. Same issue i experienced with a holosun with acss reticle.


But i would recommend an EXPS version over the XPS version just for the raised mounting height. If you need it higher larue makes a riser so does Unity tactical.

[FluorideInMyWater]

Outside of NV, one other reason to get the EXPS model over the XPS is the QD lever and 1/3 cowitness.

yes, i like that...and the fact that the buttons are on the side so it wont interfear with the magnifier.

night vision. the way things are going in the world, it could come in handy, but i hope things never get to that level.

i found the 3-2 on a website for $639. in stock. amazon is out of stock. i prefer to get things thru amazon b/c returning stuff is easy. last year i bought 3 LPVOs and returned all 3 b/c they were crap ($300-$500 range). i'm looking at the vortex razor gen 2e....i've seen POV youtube videos and it looks sooooo clear. i have 2 AR uppers so i want holographic for 1 and the razor for the other.

so then the consensus is that the 3-2 would be what i'm looking for....i'll print out the reticles and compare just to make sure.

[HKAllTheThings]

Razor 1-6 is legit and will make anyone happy.