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  • bug_eyedmonster
    • Oct 2007
    • 3639

    What reticle?

    I have a .223 bolt action rifle that's waiting in jail. It has a 20 inch barrel with 1:8 twist, chambered in .223 Wylde. I've decided on the Leupold Mark 5 for the time being, 3.6-18x44 specifically. My preference has always been to have more magnification and not use it, than not enough magnification. The purpose of this rifle is to be a trainer/plinker for my hunting rifle, which is in 7mm RM, so it's got the same stock, same trigger, but with a Leupold VX6 3-18 with windplex reticle. While that VX-6 has served me well, but I'd like something with a first focal plane due to the magnification range. We hunt by stalking, all shots for CA deer are within 400 yards, but plan to hunt elk. If the Mark 5 works well on the trainer, then I'd like to switch out the optic on the big brother.

    The reason why I want to try FFP on the hunting rifle is because I tend to zoom in once an animal is spotted to gauge size and verify points. The last thing I'd want to do is take an animal that's not legal. The measurements on SFP reticle are only accurate at the lowest and highest magnification range, and I'd like something that is consistent all the way through. I read the other thread discussing reticle simplicity, that that's not working out for me personally. We cannot hunt with spotting scopes, as they are too bulky. I have also used the rifle to stalk and ambush pigs. The trainer would be used to varmint on the move, for coyotes, ground squirrels, and those pesky cans to practice. While I know it's not the ideal optic for hunting and is heavier than traditional optics used for hunting, I'd like to see if it works for me.

    At the moment, my VX-6 has an illuminated reticle (FireDot Wind-plex) but would like tor try out the TMR or Tremor3 Illuminated. While at first glance, the T3 seems very busy based on the pictures on the Leupold sight, I've seen it ni person and it's not bad at all. I thought it might be too distracting, but at low power, it's almost not noticeable, and as you increase magnification, it becomes more apparent. The TMR seems to not be visible at all until you crank it up to the higher range, which may not work for me, but offers more clarity and visual space. What says the CG collective?

    Jerry
    The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.
  • #2
    Divernhunter
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2010
    • 8753

    Who are you trying to convince?
    Duplex Reticle Non-AO sighted in 2.75" high at 100 yards and hold on the animal for meat in the freezer. If you want the firedot that is fine. I have 2 scopes with it. One will be going on my Elk hunt It has worked for more than 50 years.
    A 2x10 x40 or 3.5X10X40 or 3x9X40 will work just fine. I use higher power scopes for my squirrel rifles but also shoot from a portable bench. I have a couple of 4.5X14X40 Leupold scopes on my 2 Weatherby rifles. I turned up to 14X once in Africa and could not get on the animal fast enough for the 2nd shot if needed. Never turned them up past 10X after that. I have taken game to 600 yards with a 3X9X40 or 3.5X10X40 without problems. No need for anything over 10X in a hunting scope.
    My 2 Cents
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    • #3
      bug_eyedmonster
      • Oct 2007
      • 3639

      Originally posted by Divernhunter
      Who are you trying to convince?
      Duplex Reticle Non-AO sighted in 2.75" high at 100 yards and hold on the animal for meat in the freezer. If you want the firedot that is fine. I have 2 scopes with it. One will be going on my Elk hunt It has worked for more than 50 years.
      A 2x10 x40 or 3.5X10X40 or 3x9X40 will work just fine. I use higher power scopes for my squirrel rifles but also shoot from a portable bench. I have a couple of 4.5X14X40 Leupold scopes on my 2 Weatherby rifles. I turned up to 14X once in Africa and could not get on the animal fast enough for the 2nd shot if needed. Never turned them up past 10X after that. I have taken game to 600 yards with a 3X9X40 or 3.5X10X40 without problems. No need for anything over 10X in a hunting scope.
      My 2 Cents
      I appreciate your thoughts. But I'm not trying to convince anyone. I've been in that situation before, where the power was turned up too high and lost sight of the deer. Once. It's all it took for me, and after that, I've turned the scope down all the way since. And I agree, to put a hit on an animal, especially if there's a possibility that you may need a second shot, then high power is not your friend. But, I need higher magnification while searching and verifying. YOU may not need anything over 10x, but I'm not you, nor are you me. I've never had the need to shoot at an animal anywhere near 600 yards in CA, but that may change if I do go to AZ or UT. The question isn't about magnification, but about reticle. I read your opinion on what reticle to use, and that's what I've done for years. My previous optic was a Leupold VX-3 3-9x40. Nothing fancy, and it worked. But, I'd like to see what can better my chances. If it doesn't work, then so be it.
      The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.

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      • #4
        waveslayer
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 1728

        Tremor 3 is my choice from those two. I would ditch Leopold unless you go with the Mark 5HD. Otherwise the new Mil-XT from Nightforce is good. Especially if you are not used to using holdovers rather than dialing.

        I personally use the H59 mostly, but have a Mil-XT and the SKMR 3 from Kahles. I like them all

        Go FFP if you zoom in. I usually dial when I hunt because I am running a SFP scope.

        My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

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        • #5
          Divernhunter
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2010
          • 8753

          OP--Are you saying that you use your scope for spotting game. That is what binos are for. I really do not like it when someone has their rifle pointed at me while I am hunting.
          If that is not what you mean then I am sorry but I still do not understand what you really meant.

          Give it a try but I think you will find you spent a bunch of money and did not get good results from it.
          I have 2 great Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 with NP-R2 reticle. They work well even if the reticle is cluttered. HOWEVER they are on target 50BMG rifles and not hunting rifles. Although I may shoot a pig with one using Barnes Non-Lead bullets sometime …………………..just because.
          A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
          NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
          SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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          • #6
            bug_eyedmonster
            • Oct 2007
            • 3639

            No, I have binos. Many times we have followed does and are led to a buck. Usually, I can see that there is head gear of some sort with the binos, which are 10x. But in order to see what we are really dealing with, and before we start to push forward, I will use my rifle and increase magnification to see if it's a forked horn, a spike, or a monster buck (exaggeration). If that happened to be you, and I could not make out the difference between a fellow hunter and a buck, then I'd tear up my hunting license and hang paper targets.

            I have coyote hunted with a FFP mil-dot reticle, and had very good success with it. I wanted to chance a slightly heavier optic with a different reticle like the Tremor3 since my only other scope at the moment is the MR5 from Minox.

            Jerry
            The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.

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            • #7
              Divernhunter
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2010
              • 8753

              I understand about the not using a scope for glassing for game. I have had people do that to me before. I sometimes wish I could send a shot their way when they do, but never have done so.

              Good luck with your quest
              A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
              NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
              SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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              • #8
                smoothy8500
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 3846

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                • #9
                  scotty99
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1184



                  On a SFP scope with a reticle with subtensions, those subtensions are only accurate at one magnification (usually, but not always, the highest setting). On a FFP scope, the subtensions are accurate at any magnification. Works for ranging, drop and/or wind compensation.


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                  • #10
                    smoothy8500
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 3846

                    Originally posted by scotty99
                    (usually, but not always, the highest setting)
                    Ok, I guess 18X would be too much magnification in the field.

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                    • #11
                      scotty99
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1184

                      Originally posted by smoothy8500
                      Ok, I guess 18X would be too much magnification in the field.

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                      • #12
                        bug_eyedmonster
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3639

                        Originally posted by smoothy8500
                        Ok, I guess 18X would be too much magnification in the field.
                        Yes, I realize this, which is why I want to go FFP.

                        I have several issues with magnification above the 13-15x range, personally. Shooting off-hand, I cannot hold the rifle stable enough to get what I would feel an accurate aim. Secondly, anything above 15x, on hot days, mirage plays a huge factor for me. But, like I said earlier, I'd rather have too much magnification than not enough.

                        Jerry
                        The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.

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                        • #13
                          HooYah
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 1575

                          Originally posted by waveslayer
                          Tremor 3 is my choice from those two. I would ditch Leopold unless you go with the Mark 5HD. Otherwise the new Mil-XT from Nightforce is good. Especially if you are not used to using holdovers rather than dialing.

                          I personally use the H59 mostly, but have a Mil-XT and the SKMR 3 from Kahles. I like them all
                          Tremor 3 and H59 are both GTG. The .2mil marks on both reticles make wind holds a breeze.

                          No pun intended.

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                          • #14
                            Paul_R
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 2847

                            Tremor3 is the most crowded reticle I've ever seen. My personal favorite is the Vortex EBR-2C.
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                            • #15
                              bug_eyedmonster
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 3639

                              Originally posted by Paul_R
                              Tremor3 is the most crowded reticle I've ever seen. My personal favorite is the Vortex EBR-2C.
                              I just bought one of these to test out. I think if I can manage this without any issue, than I'm going to move forward with the Tremor3. I got the scope in, but have not had a chance to actually shoot it. Luckily my wife needed something for her RPRF!



                              Jerry
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