Is MOA Dead?

[nedro]

Yes, I did read the sticky that was discussed in 2009.

It just seems to me that just about every new thread about upper end scopes always has the caveat of, "Must be Mil Spec."

I've always bought MOA because, well, that's how I started out and just see no reason to learn how to do the same exact thing, but in another scale.

Have I missed the boat on this one?

What say you LDS guys?

[Citadelgrad87]

I say it doesnt matter what you use if you are comfortable with it.

That said, mil is so prevalent now that if you shoot with others, they are likely using mils and will be talking in mils. Helps somewhat to both be using the same unit of measurement.

The only pretty hard rule is, whtever the unit of the reticle is, the turrets need to have that click value, or fraction of that value.

[Mayor McRifle]

I've always bought MOA because, well, that's how I started out and just see no reason to learn how to do the same exact thing, but in another scale.

Have I missed the boat on this one?

No.

[smoothy8500]

F-class target rings are still 1/2 MOA....

[Brush Guard]

MOA is easy for me understand and remember.
1 MOA is approximately 1 inch at 100 yards.
2 inches at 200 yards
3 inches at 300 yards.
Etc.

Just mounted the Razor 1X6 in MOA and love it.

[waveslayer]

Not dead, bit guys are pushing for one measurement.

I run either, depending on who I'm shooting with so we can speak the same language. I hardly dial anymore, I just use hold overs.

Moat of the good reticles are in mils so I'm stuck with mils on my H59, Tremor 3 and Mil CX reticles that just came out

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

[G-forceJunkie]

Whats important is that if a reticle has a ranging function (like say mil dots, etc.) that the knobs be the same. You fire a shot, it hits 1.5 hash marks high. dial in in -1.5 and send it. Try doing the math if you hit 2.5 Mils high, how much MOA do you dial in? An MOA MOA scope will work just a well as a Mil/Mil scope. It simply will be more helpfull if everyone around you is using the same thing.

[Whiterabbit]

I only use MOA.

Biggest problem is if you want a high end optic, the playing field is REAL small. It's actually absurd for me to think someone would say must be mil-spec, because I don't see ANY scopes in MOA that are not available in MIL, but there are tons of options in MIL that are not available in MOA.

[ChuckDizzle]

Whatever you know how to use is the best system.

I like mil because my .mil time indoctrinated me to metric measurements.

I hope in my lifetime we stop teaching imperial measures in school.

[gpark09]

Yes, I did read the sticky that was discussed in 2009.

It just seems to me that just about every new thread about upper end scopes always has the caveat of, "Must be Mil Spec."

I've always bought MOA because, well, that's how I started out and just see no reason to learn how to do the same exact thing, but in another scale.

Have I missed the boat on this one?

What say you LDS guys?

First.... Are you confusing "Mil Spec" with "Mil Reticle"?

Second... No, you did not miss the boat. MOA is still being used actively. For long range shooting, I prefer Mil. But, when I'm hunting, MOA just works a lot efficient for me. MOA will not go away.

[Ki6vsm]

First.... Are you confusing "Mil Spec" with "Mil Reticle"?

Second... No, you did not miss the boat. MOA is still being used actively. For long range shooting, I prefer Mil. But, when I'm hunting, MOA just works a lot efficient for me. MOA will not go away.

I was wondering the same thing. I hope people aren't confusing "Military" and "Milliradian" just because they both start with the same three letters, coincidentally. But it seems that our DOD equipment is spec'd for Mil-rad, so it would be understandable for people to conclude they're equivalent in a way.

One thing in favor of MOA, I suppose, is that it's a more precise measurement. MOA scopes usually increment in 0.25 MOA. That's about 1/4" at 100 yds, as we've all learned. M-rad scopes increment in 0.1 M-rad. That works out to be closer to 1/2" at 100 yds. Or maybe it's 3/8"? But at any rate, M-rad makes for bigger jumps.

[ZombieLivesMatter]

I was wondering the same thing. I hope people aren't confusing "Military" and "Milliradian" just because they both start with the same three letters, coincidentally. But it seems that our DOD equipment is spec'd for Mil-rad, so it would be understandable for people to conclude they're equivalent in a way.

One thing in favor of MOA, I suppose, is that it's a more precise measurement. MOA scopes usually increment in 0.25 MOA. That's about 1/4" at 100 yds, as we've all learned. M-rad scopes increment in 0.1 M-rad. That works out to be closer to 1/2" at 100 yds. Or maybe it's 3/8"? But at any rate, M-rad makes for bigger jumps.

This, milliradian has nothing to do with mil spec. MIL and MOA work exactly the same just different ways of measurement.

[Fastattack]

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The only pretty hard rule is, whtever the unit of the reticle is, the turrets need to have that click value, or fraction of that value.

Matching units ... what a concept! Why does that seem to be so damn hard, even for mid-priced scopes? The manufacturers seem to be brain dead on this issue.

[nedro]

Yes, I meant Mil-rad.
My apologies for the mistake.
So my latest purchase was for a Vortex Viper HS Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 6-24x 50mm Side Focus Dead-Hold BDC Reticle.
The specs say the adjustment click value is 1/4 MOA.
With this reticle

https://media.mwstatic.com/productdocuments/reticle%20info/760/vortex_viper_hs_6_24x50_deadhold_bdc_reticle_.pdf

I guess I don't go high end enough to see Mil-rad reticles with MOA click values.
I never even thought to look. I got lucky.

[Ki6vsm]

Interesting choice. Should be a very nice scope.

Just take note that it says the subtensions are MOA-true at 18x. Something to keep in mind if you do want put "MOA" to use.