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**koshkin** · 09-10-2018, 6:17 PM

That depends on how much it will cost you. Generally, it is a good scope, but there are a lot of options out there so it comes down to the price and what's important to you in terms of features.

ILya

**USMCM16A2** · 09-10-2018, 7:43 PM

Koshkin,

I am looking for Long Range clarity, a simple easy to use reticle. Zero stop, color fidelity at distance, front focal plane. You are right in that the choices are endless. Fixed power, variable power, I want a legacy scope one for the ages. Oh well I am going have too listen to all ideas. A2

**Mute** · 09-10-2018, 8:23 PM

US Optics are fine scopes. I've used them in the past and they're built like tanks. Also, you can pretty much configure them any way you'd like. For the price though, I have other choices I'd pick first. I find the eyebox a bit unforgiving on the USO compared to other maker's scopes. If you can get a nice discount it's worth considering. In the $3000 price range, I'd look at S&B, Kahles, Minox among others as a first choice instead.

**CSTactical** · 09-11-2018, 8:55 AM

Originally posted by USMCM16A2

Folks,

Opinions, I am looking at the B25. Used for Long Range silhouette target shooting. Steel. Thoughts, A2

We are a USO dealer and we carry many fine brands

We'd be happy to assist you if you have a moment to give us a call at 916-670-1103.

**NYT** · 09-11-2018, 9:10 AM

i like uso, just not at this magnification. i have a uso sr8c.

vortex razor hd 2, cheaper and just as good imo.

Originally posted by Mute

US Optics are fine scopes. I've used them in the past and they're built like tanks. Also, you can pretty much configure them any way you'd like. For the price though, I have other choices I'd pick first. I find the eyebox a bit unforgiving on the USO compared to other maker's scopes. If you can get a nice discount it's worth considering. In the $3000 price range, I'd look at S&B, Kahles, Minox among others as a first choice instead.

true but i wouldnt pick any of those over USO.

S&B is really good but waaaay more expensive for the same specs.

kahles and minox are not as good imo.

**Mute** · 09-11-2018, 7:57 PM

Originally posted by NYT

i like uso, just not at this magnification. i have a uso sr8c.

vortex razor hd 2, cheaper and just as good imo.

true but i wouldnt pick any of those over USO.

S&B is really good but waaaay more expensive for the same specs.

kahles and minox are not as good imo.

MSRP currently on a USO B25 is over $3300. If you look around, you can now find S&B PMII's in the $2500 range. I've owned a couple of different USO scopes in the past (haven't tried the new B25 scopes) and while those were good, I personally believe Kahles and Minox both have better optical quality. USO's strongest assets are their durability and mind numbing number of options in just about everything.

**NYT** · 09-12-2018, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Mute

MSRP currently on a USO B25 is over $3300. If you look around, you can now find S&B PMII's in the $2500 range. I've owned a couple of different USO scopes in the past (haven't tried the new B25 scopes) and while those were good, I personally believe Kahles and Minox both have better optical quality. USO's strongest assets are their durability and mind numbing number of options in just about everything.

not sure where youre finding a s&b pm II that cheap. theyre usually 500-700 more than the USO.

yes the glass of the USO isnt as good as kahles or leupold, same with S&B (i would argue with minox). but their durability is hard to beat.

**koshkin** · 09-12-2018, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by USMCM16A2

Koshkin,

I am looking for Long Range clarity, a simple easy to use reticle. Zero stop, color fidelity at distance, front focal plane. You are right in that the choices are endless. Fixed power, variable power, I want a legacy scope one for the ages. Oh well I am going have too listen to all ideas. A2

Most good quality precision scopes have all those features. Reticles are in the eye of the beholder, so choose what works for you.

Optically, B25 is not quite as good as the best out there, but very serviceable. The ebst is probably Tangent Theta. Minox is close optically, although I definitely prefer Tangent Theta mechanics.

In terms of bang for the buck, it is hard to go wrong with modern $1500-$2000 offerings like Athlon Cronus BTR and Delta Stryker HD. Also, consider Leupold Mark 5.

Personally, I would go look at a bunch of reticles and figure out what you prefer. Then whittle down the list from there.

ILya

**longrange1** · 09-12-2018, 2:05 PM

my first choice would be a kahles 624i...my second choice would be a vortex gen2 razor 4.5-27...if you can afford a few more bucks do yourself a favor and buy the kahles...call mike or richard at CS tactical those guys will get you the best deal possible...after you look through europine glass youll never want to look through anything else.

**sigstroker** · 09-12-2018, 7:12 PM

When I think of US Optics I think of combat-reliable. It's like the long range version of the ACOG. The first time I had ever heard of them was at a trade show, where a rep was literally hammering nails into a board with a scope. Then letting people look through it. That being said, it's plenty popular among the PRS crowd. Part of that might be because they have supported the sport a great deal.

For competition I might rather consider a Leupold Mark 5HD. It's gotten some stellar reviews. It also has some nice features, like the slick zero stop, and people rave about the glass.

**Mute** · 09-12-2018, 8:39 PM

Originally posted by NYT

not sure where youre finding a s&b pm II that cheap. theyre usually 500-700 more than the USO.

yes the glass of the USO isnt as good as kahles or leupold, same with S&B (i would argue with minox). but their durability is hard to beat.

Just a couple of examples:

S&B PMII w/P3L MTC

S&B PMII P3L

**NYT** · 09-13-2018, 8:58 AM

op, solid deal right here:

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https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/wts-t-uso-b25-tremor-3.6902071/

Originally posted by Mute

Just a couple of examples:

S&B PMII w/P3L MTC

S&B PMII P3L

both of those links dont have products. one is backordered (typical practice to drop price of backordered item) and the other is a dead link.

the p3l is also the very worst reticle you can find, its super cheap. uso doesnt even offer something similar.

s&b's reticles that are comparable are: msr, tremor and horus offerings

**Mute** · 09-13-2018, 8:23 PM

Originally posted by NYT

op, solid deal right here:

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https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/wts-t-uso-b25-tremor-3.6902071/

both of those links dont have products. one is backordered (typical practice to drop price of backordered item) and the other is a dead link.

the p3l is also the very worst reticle you can find, its super cheap. uso doesnt even offer something similar.

s&b's reticles that are comparable are: msr, tremor and horus offerings

Just have to look around. Here are a couple with one of their more popular reticles:

Vercel Security Checkpoint

https://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-5-25x56-l-p-p4-fine-mrad-dt-cw.aspx

Vercel Security Checkpoint

https://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-5-25x56-l-p-p4-fine-mrad-dt-ccw.aspx

And still in stock and cheaper than the USO.