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  • brian5271
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 637

    Scope Advice for a Noob

    Hello all, I am looking for some advice on a scope. I have been shooting for 40+ years and I am very comfortable with iron sights, but when it comes to scopes, I am a total noob.

    I have decided to give the long(er) range shooting a try, but want to get started on a bit of a budget until I figure things out and decide where to go next. I really only get out a couple of times a year to shoot at any distance greater than 200 yards, so I am using the 200 yards as a baseline to start with and stretch out from there.

    I purchased two budget rifles that came with cheap scopes, but the scopes really suck. Then again, since the rifle and scope combo only cost me $280 brand new, I did not really expect anything from them. The rifles are both Remington 783’s; one in 223 and the other 308. The scope on the 223 broke last weekend so I thought I would upgrade to a decent budget scope in the $300 - $350 range.

    So bottom line, here is what I want in a scope;

    1) I want it to be as clear and bright as my budget will allow. My middle aged eyes need all the help they can get.

    2) Want to be able to shoot paper target to get good groupings out to 200 yards (max distance at the range I go to the most)

    3) Want to be able to ring steel out to 400 yards when I have the chance to get out to the dessert a couple times a year. I have 10 and 12 inch steel plates.

    4) I will start with this on my 223, but would like to be able to move it to my 308 if I decide to do so at some point.

    5) I would like to stay in the $300 to $350 range.

    6) This will be used for bench rest shooting only. I am not a hunter and have no plans to start.

    So, with my bachelor’s degree from youtube university, class of Friday evening; I am leaning towards the Bushnell Engage series of scopes. They seem to have great reviews, lots of nice features, and are in my price range. They are SPF scopes, but for my use I think that will be fine. I like the MOA reticle and turrets, I like the exposed locking turrets, and I like the third turret for parallax adjustment. All the reviews claim it holds zero well, so it sounds pretty good to me. What is the general consensus on these scopes?

    Should I be looking elsewhere, or is this a good choice?

    Also, what power range should I be looking for? They have a 2.5-10x44, 3-12x42, and 4-16x44. I like the idea of the 3-12, but nobody has it. So what do you all think? Should I go the 2.5-10, the 4-16, or keep looking for the 3-12?

    My thought is that I will keep the 223 (the rifle this scope is for) optimized for under 400 yards (primarly 200 yards), and set up the 308 for longer range. With that being said, the price difference between the 10x and the 16x is only about $60, so money really isn’t an issue. I just don’t know if the 16 would be any real advantage for the purposes and distances I am talking about. What do you all think?

    Or should I skip the Bushnell all together and look at other scopes?

    Any advice would be awesome! Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by brian5271; 05-05-2018, 12:57 AM.
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  • #2
    NoHeavyHitter
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 2876

    In that price range, I like the Burris Fullfield II line of scopes. They are solid, bright, and have turrets that feel precise and give repeatable results. I think they still are American made and have a lifetime warranty, but check to be sure as I've not shopped for scopes for a while. I've found good deals on Burris closeouts at Natchez. I've bought "blems" from them that in actuality were new products that had a factory-sealed box that was opened. The products themselves never exhibited signs of handling or use, but again - read all the fine print and ask questions.

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    • #3
      koshkin
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 92

      Fullfield II production has been moved to the Phillipines about a decade ago. They are rather well made scopes that hold up very nicely. There is a lot of track record behind these.

      If you were looking for a budget variable scope, one of the many Fullfield variants is not a bad way to go. I have also had a good experience with Sig's Whiskey3 scopes and Vortex' Diamondback. I tested a few and they were very solid design. In this price range, you want to be a little careful with very full featured scopes.

      You want to make sure that the basic fundamentals were not sacrificed when they tried to cram every feature under the sun into a particular budget.

      That all having been said, for range use where you may want to spin the turrets, easily the best bang for the money is one of SWFA's SS fixed power scopes in either 10x42 or 12x42 guise. These are exceedingly solid with a great history of reliable turrets.

      In the $300 range, I would probably avoid spinning the turrets with any other design unless you spend a lot of time proving to yourself that they work as they should.

      I recently set-up a Whiskey3 with a ballistic turret for a friend of mine and it tracks reasonably well in the center of the adjustment range, but drifts when you go further out. Virtually all scopes in this price range other than the SWFA SS do that. The Whiskey3 is repeatable enough, but I spent a lot of ammo confirming that.

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      • #4
        heyasiankid
        Member
        • Dec 2016
        • 368

        Scope Advice for a Noob

        I believe nikon and vortex might be in that price range. Other options are lower end leupolds like the mark AR or rifleman, maybe bushnell but I never used them before. All these brands are pretty popular in that price range and should be available to go into a store, find, and see if you like it.

        I would definitely go and personally check different scopes before buying to see what you'd like because it all comes down to personal preference. Especially mrad and mil, reticles, side focus, ffp and sfp, ect. Just my opinion, hope that helps!

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        • #5
          Tango_Down
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 1175

          Vortex are great scopes and have a LIFETIME no questions asked guarantee. Many options under $300.



          I like this one for that price point.

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          • #6
            SteveHamn
            Member
            • Jul 2017
            • 196

            Leupold scopes also have a lifetime warranty. For that budget I would get a Leupold or a Vortex.

            If this is all bench rest shooting at 100yrds or more I would go with higher magnification (4-16) to make the target easier to see. The lower magnifications are better for hunting and if theres a possibility you may need to quickly take a target at short range

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            • #7
              therealnickb
              King- Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2011
              • 8919

              I can ship you this 3-12 for $200!

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              • #8
                brian5271
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 637

                I think I am going to stick with the Bushnell scope, but should I get the 2.5-10 or the 4-16?
                Last edited by brian5271; 05-05-2018, 10:16 PM.
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                • #9
                  FishnHunt
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 1112

                  IF you must stay with bushnell then get the 3200 or 4200 series.
                  since you don't plan on hunting 3-15 or 4-16 would suit you well for the shorter ranges you described. get good glass! entry scopes at full zoom get dark and are useless.
                  I wouldn't put a bushnell on my kids bb gun to be honest. same class as taco to me.
                  lots of good scope at $300-400 range,
                  Also, dont do BDC if you plan on target. look for scopes that come with custom turrets. such as CDS (leupold) or XR (nikon), C4 (burris) so once you find a load your gun likes, get a dial made.

                  this one is out of stock but I think it would be perfect for you.
                  All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.

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                  • #10
                    russ69
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 9348

                    Vortex
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                    • #11
                      G38xOC
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3749

                      I had this scope on remy 700 . well within your budget . I was happy with it . thought it was slightly on heavy side , but glass was good .
                      Quality rifle scopes including LPVO 1-6x, 1-8x variable power, and long-range optics. Primary Arms ACSS reticles, Vortex, Leupold, and more brands.


                      my other choice would be * Vortex or SS Scope if you look around for deals

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                      • #12
                        Horrendo Revolver
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2015
                        • 1013

                        Listen to Ilya. I agree totally with the comments made about the Fullfield II. The only thing I’d add would be I’ve had good luck with the Bushnell Elite series but have no experience with the Engage. The advice about not buying feature rich scopes in your price range is critical. If the scope is loaded with features then something else will suffer: namely glass quality, tracking accuracy or both.

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