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  • CouchOperator
    Veteran Member
    • May 2016
    • 4353

    Eotech vs Aimpoint under nods

    I am not a LEO or Mil professional. I am also clearly not a professional photographer. However, recently i was given access to an AK with an EXPS3 on it and a BCM with an Aimpoint Pro on it. I personally dont dedicate NV optics to my gun because i have a laser, but these gave me the opportunity to look at both NV settings under nvg's.

    Important notes would be i am looking at these through a PVS-14 US Nightvision Gen 3 ITT Pinnacle tube holding the guns on a table unable to place the angle while trying to hold an iphone and the pvs behind it to take the photos. Hard as ****. My monocular is set at a far distance focus so everything in the photo is blurry and out of focus, as one should run their stuff due to the limited depth perception and range of focus. It is 4K clear outside past 20 yards. That being said, the reticles under NVG were days apart. Both were set to NV settings, both at the higher end of their power outputs for the respective spectrum. No internal or external IR was used and gain was set very low.


    Findings:
    The eotech blew the aimpoint out of the water. Also far easier to use moving through my apartment with the eotech. Why is this important? Laser failure. Will i go to the eotech? No. I still use an aimpoint h2 on my rifle as it is a day optic, and thats its purpose. At night my aimpoint is my BUIS and id rather use my unaided eye. However the pro under nvg was blurry and had alot of bloom around it while the eotech was crisp. I absolutely did not expect the eotech to look that good; so good that i am making this post to get all the crow i just ate out of my mouth.



    Speculation: i think alot has to do with tube length. Less angle is needed to see the reticle of the eotech vs the longer tube of the aimpoint. Think of angles. I needed to get more centered behind the aimpoint to see the reticle. Thats important when you have a huge stupid device hanging off your dumb face. The eotech was just far easier. I have used my h2 in daylight settings with nvg but its also on a much higher mount. Whether its the shorter tube or the height of the mount, im not sure. But the eotech definitwly won in the NVG arena.


    Aimpoint:




    Eotech:

    Last edited by CouchOperator; 12-27-2016, 1:26 AM.
  • #2
    valleyoperator
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 97

    EoTechs are still legit imo

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    • #3
      rlewpolar
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2014
      • 1447

      Just curious, how easy is it to look through either the Aimpoint or Eotech with the PVS-14 helmet mounted? Assuming you are standing and shouldering the rifle normally, is it easy to get the PVS tube aligned normally behind the optic? Can you use a normal cheek weld?

      I've thought about getting a helmet mounted PVS-14 but using a laser like you. But wondering if you tried using the aimpoint and eotech in a normal shooting stance?


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      • #4
        robledo
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 978

        Originally posted by rlewpolar
        Just curious, how easy is it to look through either the Aimpoint or Eotech with the PVS-14 helmet mounted? Assuming you are standing and shouldering the rifle normally, is it easy to get the PVS tube aligned normally behind the optic? Can you use a normal cheek weld?

        I've thought about getting a helmet mounted PVS-14 but using a laser like you. But wondering if you tried using the aimpoint and eotech in a normal shooting stance?


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        It sucks. It's a modified neck angle and cheek weld for me. Likely a worst case scenario type of thing if your laser goes down. Kicking the stock out helps a bit for me, but I still dont like it. I suppose having it mounted to the gun would be easier but then you're flagging everything you are looking at.

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        • #5
          rlewpolar
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2014
          • 1447

          Originally posted by robledo
          It sucks. It's a modified neck angle and cheek weld for me. Likely a worst case scenario type of thing if your laser goes down. Kicking the stock out helps a bit for me, but I still dont like it. I suppose having it mounted to the gun would be easier but then you're flagging everything you are looking at.


          That's what I suspected.

          One more question; with the laser on the rifle and the PVS-14 on the helmet, can you now have a normal cheekweld and see the laser at distance or do you need to do a chinweld sort of thing to see the laser? In other words, does that big monocle still interfere with the regular cheekweld or does it allow you to shoot normally provided you have a laser? Thanks for the input. Been pondering NV for a long time....


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          • #6
            robledo
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 978

            Originally posted by rlewpolar
            That's what I suspected.

            One more question; with the laser on the rifle and the PVS-14 on the helmet, can you now have a normal cheekweld and see the laser at distance or do you need to do a chinweld sort of thing to see the laser? In other words, does that big monocle still interfere with the regular cheekweld or does it allow you to shoot normally provided you have a laser? Thanks for the input. Been pondering NV for a long time....
            If I'm shooting with my non dominant eye and the laser I don't bother with a chin weld. Just get it firm in your shoulder pocket with a good grip and good trigger control. Obviously having that fourth point of contact (the cheek weld) helps mitigate some recoil but I'm currently running brakes what with the new legislation, and utilizing a cheek weld to track your sights under strings of fire isn't really an issue. Your rate of fire may slow down without the cheek weld at say, 25 yards and beyond but it's still very usable.

            With the PVS over your left eye, getting a good cheek qeld whilst using your right eye to shoot without night vision is very doable, you'll just find that you may need to move your optics forward more so that they clear your PVS.

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            • #7
              rlewpolar
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2014
              • 1447

              Good info, thanks [emoji106]


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              • #8
                ArmsUnlimited
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 1290

                EOTech for use with NODs, if you're going dot, go with Trijicon MRO for use with night vision devices

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                • #9
                  CouchOperator
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2016
                  • 4353

                  Originally posted by ArmsUnlimited
                  EOTech for use with NODs, if you're going dot, go with Trijicon MRO for use with night vision devices

                  https://www.armsunlimited.com/Trijic...2200003-lt.htm
                  Why? What exactly makes the slightly magnified MRO better than the Eotech, or even the Aimpoint? Can you upload a photo of your MRO under your nods?

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                  • #10
                    romadant
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 816

                    Originally posted by CouchOperator
                    Why? What exactly makes the slightly magnified MRO better than the Eotech, or even the Aimpoint? Can you upload a photo of your MRO under your nods?
                    I see zero magnification when using my MRO. Also, the MRO has multiple NV settings. If I remember correctly the Aimpoints only have one.
                    I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor. -- Mahatma Ghandi

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                    • #11
                      robledo
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 978

                      Originally posted by romadant
                      I see zero magnification when using my MRO. Also, the MRO has multiple NV settings. If I remember correctly the Aimpoints only have one.
                      The Aimpoint Micro and PRO red dot sights each have four night vision settings.

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                      • #12
                        Calico1404
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 3401

                        interesting, I would have expected more from the Aimpoint.

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                        • #13
                          romadant
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 816

                          Originally posted by robledo
                          The Aimpoint Micro and PRO red dot sights each have four night vision settings.
                          Ha ha. Guess it's easy to tell I don't own an Aimpoint. Thanks for the correction!
                          I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor. -- Mahatma Ghandi

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