2nd focal plane and mildot ranging.

[stand125]

So I am going to be getting a Front focal plane scope because I want to start some long range shooting and using mildots. Of course my brain starts thinking and wondering about goofy stuff like the following senerio using a Millet 4-16X 2nd focal plane mildot scope. Per the Manufacturer the mildot range setting is at 10X. So I start wondering what if you made a chart for say 5X and 15X so you could have more than 1 power setting to mildot range since most low and mid level scopes kindov suck on max magnification. I was reading through Millets instruction manual and low and behold they had a conversion chart that shows what the height/lenth of a mil is at the various magnifications. Now I am not going to do the math because I am getting tired, but I assume you could just use the standard formula except your standard 3.6 constant would change per the variable table. The chart states that 100 yds at 4X a mil represents 5.8 inches and at 14X a mil represents 2.7 inches.

I do have my heart set on a FFP scope so please refrain from telling me to just buy a FFP scope and save figuring out more charts, which I guess would just be 1 if you used an app. Sometimes my brain just starts thinking and god knows I am probably missing a whole bunch of factors.

[PrimaryArms]

Mil system and ACSS HUD DMR

I hear people say
"oh I prefer the mil reticle its less busy"
But is it? The math and how it actually works in live situations engaging targets at unknown ranges
is mind blowing! Its why you need a military trained spotter and even then its slow and complex!
Watch this sniper training video for 5 minutes and you get to see what it actually takes to use one correctly! Just imagine someone shooting at you and you having to do this math!!

http://youtu.be/EntwOX1hQMI

Now watch the ACSS HUD DMR.308/.223
All the math in the video is pre done and in your glass! You will quickly realize just how valuable and effective the ACSS is!

https://youtu.be/r0oLPFNWCLE

-Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

If this is for a .308 or .223 then check this out

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm

-Dimitri

[JMP]

It is linear, so it is always the option. But, the nice thing about your FFP scope is that it makes no difference what power you are on. You do not need to accommodate the zoom to be on one of your chart settings. It's just done automatically.

Yes, I know that isn't the answer you don't want to hear, but just buy one, anything less is lunacy.

[PrimaryArms]

2nd focal plane and mildot ranging.

It is linear, so it is always the option. But, the nice thing about your FFP scope is that it makes no difference what power you are on. You do not need to accommodate the zoom to be on one of your chart settings. It's just done automatically.

Yes, I know that isn't the answer you don't want to hear, but just buy one, anything less is lunacy.

Some of the best shooters I know use a SFP! It shocked me at first as well! But its true, they shoot 2000+ with calibers that up until I met them didn't know existed!
It is lunacy!

-Dimitri

[JMP]

Some of the best shooters I know use a SFP! It shocked me at first as well! But its true, they shoot 2000+ with calibers that up until I met them didn't know existed!
It is lunacy!

-Dimitri

Dimitri, this is because a lot of the scopes made for Benchrest type competitions are in second focal plane as they are fine for fixed distance shooting. Target shooters dial for adjustments where other types of shooters do more holds. Thus, they typically like the scopes that have 1/8 MOA turret increments for really fine adjustment dials. March and Nightforce make excellent scopes for this style.

This is mainly a carry over from the days where first focal plane reticles were too thick and would obscure the targets at long distances. Modern styles of first focal plan reticles have pretty much eliminated this concern.

The problem with the scopes that have 1/8 MOA clicks is that the erector system generally does not allow for larger elevation ranges so they will typically need to have very far zeros if they were to want to go to 2,000 yards. With the modern FFP scopes, you can shoot 2,000 yards with a 100 yard zero if you have enough elevation.

The standard size in longer range FFP scopes is a 34mm tube and 56mm objective to allow for the zoom and elevation range that people like. There are some speciality scopes that are even larger.

[PrimaryArms]

2nd focal plane and mildot ranging.

Yeah I know it's lunacy!

-Dimitri

[JMP]

Dimitri, it isn't lunacy, it's just that you will realize that there are far far too many styles of shooting to have a one-scope do it all solution. If PA tries to make a scope for every possible discipline, you will be testing scopes until the day you die.

For example, personally, I am not a fan of Nightforce scopes, but I can completely understand why many are.

[PrimaryArms]

2nd focal plane and mildot ranging.

I will realize? Lol ok..
One scope solution? I don't think you even know what I am talking about! Yeah your right tx!

-Dimitri

[ElvenSoul]

Dimitri you want to see lunacy and have your mind boggled go watch people shoot black powder rifles 1000yds with iron sights!

[JMP]

LOL, you obviously don't know what I am talking about.

[PrimaryArms]

LOL, you obviously don't know what I am talking about.

Yup no clue
Tx again!
-Dimitri

[Timmeh]

If this is for a .308 or .223 then check this out

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm

-Dimitri

I was just looking at that. Will it work for 30-06?

Thanks

Chris

[PrimaryArms]

2nd focal plane and mildot ranging.

I was just looking at that. Will it work for 30-06?



Thanks



Chris

What round are you shooting and at what fps? What gun? Whats your elevation?

-Dimitri

[JMP]

Yup no clue
Tx again!
-Dimitri

Dimitri, you are such a strange guy. I have no idea why you turn so many conversations into weird remarks. I have invited you to the ELR match so you can pick up some knowledge from some very serious shooters to help you learn a bit about what's needed for a long range scope. I have learned a tremoundous amount from others there and the matches are only getting off the ground. The thing is that you get folks from an extremely diverse background with a wealth of knowledge.

At present, there's not a single person in the world with the knowledge, skill, or equipment to be that large a favorite to win at each stage, and we've seen a lot of things that have surprised everyone. I really do not know why you do not want to come and share your knowledge and pick up knowledge from others. There is no cost. I guarantee you that it will be much more beneficial for you in your product development to learn some things with a new challenge rather than sit there and start making snide comments as if you like know better than everyone else.

I am trying to reach out to you in the most friendly manner possible as we'd love to have you along. There is nothing you have to lose as the worst thing would be for you to miss a target, and BFD, I do that all the time.

Optics are a big part of the game, and I haven't yet even seen a PA represented. I think it's because folks think 14x is kind of low, but both you are I know that is false. The ACSS probably won't be good for this particular event, but the regular one has the elevation to get out there.