1-4/6/8 vs 2 optics

[SuperSet]

If you do any shooting on the timer at all, the value of a 1-4x or 1-6x will become apparent.

[PrimaryArms]

1-4/6/8 vs 2 optics

If you do any shooting on the timer at all, the value of a 1-4x or 1-6x will become apparent.

Truth^

-Dimitri

[Sackett]

If you do any shooting on the timer at all, the value of a 1-4x or 1-6x will become apparent.

Faster than a 2-7, 3-9, etc and a mini red dot at 1 o'clock? That's hard to believe. I don't have to turn my scopes mag ring to shoot something at 7 yards or 200, I just leave it at 4x or 6x usually. I've watched and enjoyed your videos SuperSet, your fast. But have you tried an rmr in conjunction with your scope? That's what this is all about...

[SuperSet]

For clarification, yes, you absolutely can run that setup just as fast. You're right in that canting the gun is faster than turning the zoom ring. It's a few seconds of difference.

I just don't see that setup often, either in 3gun or carbine class. More often than not, guys that run offset red dots have a 1-6x as their primary optic and use their offset very rarely.
This is likely due to the decreased field of view of a small red dot up front versus the larger FOV of a 1-6x on 1X. I even have a harder time finding a T1 dot up front due to its small size.

[seal20]

Try an illuminated magnified optic with a closed front cap and BOTH eyes open...

[EvolutionGSR]

I had a offset RMR once, but I tried two different mounts and it was always mounted too low for my liking. Maybe I tried two bad ones. It was hard for me to find the dot with how low it was mounted, I remember having to move my head and the rifle a certain way to see the dot and it was kind of awkward. I remember one mount I tried was a Daniel Defense. I ended up with a Vortex 1-6, and I would rather find the eye relief of the scope at 1x than try to find the dot on how low the RMR was mounted. I just got used to finding the eye relief.

That and I don't want to be in Open class.

[Horrendo Revolver]

I don't shoot competitively, just hunt. My AR has a VX-R 2-7 with #4 reticle and a Burris Fastfire mounted on top. The riser is a PEPR QD. I really like the setup.

[Mute]

I just leave my 1-6x optic at 1x all the time. When I use magnification, I set it back to 1x when I'm done. The dot is always ready. For longer shot, I'm going to take a little bit of time to set up the shot anyways. Increasing the magnification, doesn't take that much time. I've tried the offset RDS setup. I just don't personally find it to offer me all that much more speed than a 1-X setup.

[RobertMW]

For clarification, yes, you absolutely can run that setup just as fast. You're right in that canting the gun is faster than turning the zoom ring. It's a few seconds of difference.

I just don't see that setup often, either in 3gun or carbine class. More often than not, guys that run offset red dots have a 1-6x as their primary optic and use their offset very rarely.
This is likely due to the decreased field of view of a small red dot up front versus the larger FOV of a 1-6x on 1X. I even have a harder time finding a T1 dot up front due to its small size.

Ok, here's my scoop on it as a 3-gun shooter.

The top end 1-6 and 1-8 scopes have an EXCELLENT eye-box so that you don't have to worry about the scope slowing you down, as long as you practice getting a reasonably consistent cheek weld.

An offset Red Dot is EVEN BETTER. You will save some seconds between short and long range transitions. But here's the deal, you MUST run you gun in the open classification if you have multiple optics on your rifle. So unless you are running full on open setup for your shotgun and pistol as well, you are screwing yourself over. Those extra seconds are what open division is about, so that's where this setup belongs. Also, if you are shooting open, you may have much more incentive to run a 2-9 or 3-12 optic over a 1-6/8 optic. The lower zoom ratio scopes are lighter, usually have a larger objective with a higher magnification, with only a quick roll for the 1X red dot. Very advantageous.

You can run a single magnified optic in tactical division (under USPSA multigun rules) and in that case a variable power scope is almost mandatory equipment to be competitive now, unless you are shooting on a very short course. Since it is your only optic, it needs to have 1X capability.


Now, this last one is my take on real world operations. I think a variable scope with RMR would have to be part of a squad, not a solo gun, it's a lot of bulk and specialization for an all purpose rifle. However, if you were a dedicated marksman, with the still real, but small, chance that you could have some CQB difficulty, sure the extra bulk may be necessary since you are likely to be running a higher power scope as your main optic, and wont have a 1x capability otherwise. If you have a 1-X range scope, no need for extra bulk on your gun, no offset sights.

Unless you are tasked with taking precision long range shots, I'd stick with a red dot. They are proven as the fastest for up to 100m engagements, and you can still take shots at up to 300m without any trouble it all.

[asphaltcowboychip]

OP how do you like that particular stock with your setup. I have a similar one?