2nd Thoughts Re: Gunsafe Affidavit

[COILSPRING]

I just purchased a handgun for the first time in many years. Doing the PPT @ a local Turners. I have a early Sportsman Steel gunsafe. I spoke to a salesguy @ a different Turners who said that if you use the Gunsafe Affidavit the BATF can inspect your gunsafe @ any time . I have nothing to hide but I don't like the idea of anyone having the right to invade my privacy. Is this true? I'm starting to think that perhaps I should just buy the $6.95 lock and tear up the Gunsafe Affidavit. I asked the guy @ Turners if I could just bring my own lock when I pick up the pistol, he said that he would have to sell me a lock to have a receipt to attach to the paperwork. I was in a smaller gunshop where a different guy said that you can bring your own lock... What do you guys think? I guess it might not be the smartest thing to sign a affadavit stating that I have a gunsafe... Here's another question, is there a list of approved gunsafes? My sportsman Steel safe is over twenty years old.
Thank you for your help and opinions!!
Coilspring

[Yute]

Why would the BATF come in to enforce a californian law?

[SemiAutoSam]

I think he ment California doj but think about it. Unless it states on the form what basis would the doj or atf have to come and have a look at what you have in your safe.

[Yute]

good point! I guess the question is then - how many people really have had their safes inspected by the doj? I doubt very many...

[COILSPRING]

Ok, Ca Doj

I'm still kind of thinking that maybe it would be a good seven dollars spent to not have to tell the DOJ that I have a gunsafe... Am I being overly paranoid?
Coilspring

[HillBilly]

I also have to think that even if that were the case and they had a warrant, they only have reason to inspect that you in fact own a ca approved safe as signed on the affidavit. You can see when type of safe I have without looking inside. If they want the combo..

Go fish!

[JPglee1]

I'm still kind of thinking that maybe it would be a good seven dollars spent to not have to tell the DOJ that I have a gunsafe... Am I being overly paranoid?
Coilspring

Yes.

Dude, you DROS'd the gun, they know you got a gun, who cares if they know you got a safe.

If anything a safe means you're safety conscious and less likely to have any problems then someone who just tosses em against the wall in the closet (like me haha)

Don't trip out so much man, or I'm gonna have to fit you with a tinfoil-hat of your own (I am the CEO of the Tinfoil-Hat Alliance, AKA THA) hahaha


J

[Black_Talon]

Here's another question, is there a list of approved gunsafes?

Yes:

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/fsdcertlist.htm

[bwiese]

Relax. Paranoia is sometimes a useful trait, but not for this.

This is more gunshop BS. I think sometimes there's more misinformation at gunshops than in the general public! Furthermore, the BATF wouldn't even care.

The ONLY case where something like this could remotely happen is if state or local authorities developed enough information to somehow show that you fraudulently completed the affadavit and did not, in fact have the safe at the time you completed the affadavit. But this is very doubtful - I think the dealer retains those affadavits and just doesn't release the gun without one; Sacramento doesn't know the make/model of your safe or even if you have one.

[booknut]

I'm starting to think that perhaps I should just buy the $6.95 lock and tear up the Gunsafe Affidavit. I asked the guy @ Turners if I could just bring my own lock when I pick up the pistol, he said that he would have to sell me a lock to have a receipt to attach to the paperwork.

I haven't heard of the law changing recently, but you can buy an 'approved lock' anywhere you want. You don't have to buy it from the place you pick you pistol up from.
You just have to have a copy of the receipt to show that it was purchased within 30 days of picking up your gun.

I've run into two stores that give you a refund when you return gun locks you no longer need. In other words, I've never seen it written in the law that you have to keep the lock you use to pick up your gun with. If you have the proper storage ability at home, you might not need the lock after the gun arrives safely there.

Lots of stores sell Ca. approved locks... gun stores, hardware stores, sporting goods stores, etc.

Some store receipts don't print out very well off the old cash registers either. Sometimes the ink is a bit hard to see. That could be a problem.

Quite a few businesses use computers.
The receipt is just a computer printout much like what your printer at home does, it just has a business name, address, phone, purchase information, "Thank you for your business" at the bottom, etc.

No one seems to care where I buy my locks from as long as I have a piece of paper that says I purchased it during the right timeframe.

[Guns R Tools]

I went to the Walmart and bought the locks that were CA DOJ approved. It was blued cable locks. After I picked up the guns from Big 5, I went back to Walmart and got refund on the locks. The locks were never opened, just shown along with receipt and they make photo copy of the lock's receipt for the file.

I use free locks I got while back for the rifles now. Works for me.

[xenophobe]

Do you ever seriously think the DOJ will come to your house to inspect if you have a gun safe?

DOJ Agent "Judge, we need to get a Search Warrant"

Judge "Why?"

DOJ "To check Safe Affidavit Wavier Compliance"

Judge ...*blank stare*


Riiiiight.

[Ratters]

There is nothing in the law that allows the DOJ to come into your house and inspect your safe just cause you sign the affidavit. Go to the DOJ's website and try to find it. It's not there.

I've filled out well over 30 of the things and no one's come knocking yet.

[JPglee1]

My FFL will "sell" me a lock, and then let me "sell" it back to him after the transfer... makes it handy and painless hehehe.


JP

[AntiBubba 2.1]

Even if it were true, I'd still be far more concerned about tweakers busting down the door than government-approved thugs. The thought of one of my stolen guns being used to kill someone is unbearable.