Recommend a safe?

[trex65mil]

Hey guys, with tax season coming up, I'm expecting to get a refund and I was thinking of getting a safe with the money (if I can also convince my wife that is). I was hoping some of you might be able to give me some recommendations on what you've seen out there and what you like. Something I haven't seen very much of is a waterproof/resistant gun safe. I think if I got a big ol' safe I'd want to put some important papers in there too and if, god forbid, there was a fire or anything, I know they're fireproof to an extent, but when fire crews get there, they're gonna be hosing everything down. I'm looking for something in the 15-20 gun range. I'd appreciate it if you would just share some general knowledge you might have too (good brand, bad, different warranties) since I'm just starting to look around. Thanks.

[1GunLover]

Get a Cannon they make one of the best Safes and they have a lifetime warranty. They will replace the safe if any damage is caused by a burglery,fire,water damge,etc. They will come to your house and replace within 24hrs where other safe companies take weeks. If you ever had a fire you need to open the safe within 24-48hrs otherwise everything will rust and get ruined.

[Rareform]

I just up graded from a 22x30x60 liberty to a 30x42x72 liberty and couldn't be happier. Be sure to buy one bigger than you need today because you will need a bigger one later. I upgraded not because my first one was to small per say but when you put scopes on rifles you loose a lot of space and I went 72 tall because with long guns I lost a shelf that is used for papers and cameras. I am a fan of liberty I have an old canon that I inherited and it is best used as a cabinet but I'm sure they are better today.

[joetotoroto]

I recently ordered a Sturdy Safe. It comes in 7 Gauge steel compared to 10 Gauge and up from other companies. They are not cheap but they have a great warranty and reputation. Not sure if they are water resistant though.

[flyte74]

Hey guys, with tax season coming up, I'm expecting to get a refund and I was thinking of getting a safe with the money (if I can also convince my wife that is). I was hoping some of you might be able to give me some recommendations on what you've seen out there and what you like. Something I haven't seen very much of is a waterproof/resistant gun safe. I think if I got a big ol' safe I'd want to put some important papers in there too and if, god forbid, there was a fire or anything, I know they're fireproof to an extent, but when fire crews get there, they're gonna be hosing everything down. I'm looking for something in the 15-20 gun range. I'd appreciate it if you would just share some general knowledge you might have too (good brand, bad, different warranties) since I'm just starting to look around. Thanks.

Lots of options out there, of course a lot depends on your budget. When I was looking I looked at Liberty, Canon, American Security, Stack On, Fort Knox, Winchester, .......just saying I looked at a lot of safes. I finally settled on a Canon. I wanted one with a manual lock, but I got a great deal at one of the Crossroads gun shows in Del Mar.

As far as worrying about waterproof/water resistance, I would not sweat it too much with a well built safe. In the event it is sprayed with water during fire supression, I don't think much water would be able to intrude. Not enough to really worry about.

Some things to take into consideration while looking:
Fire ratings are different. One safe may say 30 mins at 1800 degrees, while another may say 60 mins at 1200 degrees.
Weight. The heavier the better.
Pre-drilled anchor holes are a plus.
AC outlet for dehumidifier/lights.
Do you want manual or electronic lock. I recommend manual.
Warranty. All the big names have great replacement warranties.
Can you move the shelving around to customize configuration.
What are the shelves made out of. I've seen some of the lower priced ones bowing under the weight of a few boxes of ammo.


Get a bigger safe than you think you will need. Trust me.

[SDM44]

Having looked at a lot of safes in the past few months (before ultimately ordering my Amsec safe.... I had bought a Fort Knox Defender, but it didn't fit where it was going )

I would have bought Big Horn or Cannon or Sentry, had I not done any research. After doing my research, I will not buy any of those unless I'm buying one of their higher end models. The main things that turned me off were the construction and composite door. Just like the guy shows in the safe video (that's posted everywhere), just feel the difference in the door when you swing a Cannon or Big Horn door open compared to an Amsec or Fort Knox safe. Likewise, rock the safe a bit and see how heavy it feels. The heavier safes usually means more steel is used used.


Ultimately, it's up to you on what you want to get. But I always facepalm when I see people say "Get Cannon because it's the best" with no really good explanations as to why. Just listing off the specs, you will see other safes with similar or better specs for a few hundred bucks more. But again, it's your choice on what to get.

[CJF]

Do you have a budget in mind? Budget dictates quite a bit in any purchase, and safes are no exception. I believe many people subsribe to the buy once, cry once theory for this purchase as you should have it a LONG time.

With the above said, I'd suggest Sturdy Safes. I have yet to read or hear of anyone being anything but satisifed with this purchase.

[CHIEFone]

westcoastsafes.com in ontario

go bigger than you think you will need! alot of misc stuff ends up in there, important papers and things, heirlooms items, other collections (if applicable) etc etc

[GringoBandito6136]

+1 for Sturdy. I got mine with 5 gauge and the fire liner. Expensive. But built like a missile silo!! I'd get another if ever I filled this one up.

[Sticka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbADa8

[trex65mil]

I'm looking at spending $1,500 not much more. I live close to west coast safes an went by there but they were closed when I went by there. I'll have to go by again. Thanks for all the info guys. It looks like I have a lot to look at. Quick question maybe some of you can answer. Since they do have different fire ratings what would be a good baseline? Because honestly, I think just having a huge safe would deter anyone from trying to break into it. I'm not too concerned with safe crackers. The fire resistance of the safe is going to be the biggest concern for me.

[billped]

If you are going to store papers, remember that the fire rating on a gun safe doesn't really apply since it will get hot enough to char paper. Just buy a second smaller safe made for papers and put it inside. I have a Browning gun safe and on a shelf I put a sub-$50 FirstAlert fireproof safe.

The fireproof safe is also waterproof and up on a shelf. I figure that the combination of the gun safe and the internal fire safe will keep birth certificates and passports free from damage in even a really big and bad fire.

[trex65mil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbADa8

Thank you! There was a plethora of information in that video that took me half an hour to watch but would have probably taken me hours to scour the web on my own.

I'm looking at the Rhino 56 safe. Right in my price range and seems really well built. I'm also going to look at the Sturdy. Caught my eye as well. I think me and the wife are going to go down to west coast safe co and talk to a guy about the 2 safes. Anyone have experience with the Rhino?

A fireproof safe within the safe is an excellent idea. I didn't think of that before and it's an excellent idea.

Good point with the shelves bowing too, didn't think of that either.

Thanks for all the info guys. If you have any more wisdom to share, I'm here listening.

[cduff]

I recently bought an AMSEC BF7240 (Burglary-Fire; 72" high x 40" wide). It isn't cheap, something like $3,000, but I figure it is worth it given the value of the contents. There is a recent posting here in CALGUNS about a Browning safe that was sawed-open with a Sawzall, apparently easily; I think the takeaway from that is not to leave the safe out in the open where the sides can be easily accessed for sawing. No safe is breakin-proof, but I feel confident that the AMSEC with its 1/4" thick door and heavy-gauge side-walls are better than most. It also has a good fire-rating, but I'm building a cabinet around it with extra sheets of drywall to increase the rating and make access more difficult. I am very happy with it so-far.

[spetsnaz]

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