Help Identifying Please

[Elshibs]

My google search skills only got me so far with this one, so now I'm asking the experts.

When my Grandfather passed away we were cleaning up the house and found these beauties stashed away. He was a was a History professor for many years and while there was a mountain of paperwork that accompanied everything else in the house, there was no mention of these. My research indicates that they're possibly early 1800 Persian/Middle Eastern, but that's as far as I can get.

Both are far from good condition, but may be good candidates for restoration. So I've got 2 questions.

1. Does anyone have any idea what these are?
2. Would you restore them or leave them as is?

[beerman]

They do look Persian..what ever you do, do NOT try to restore them as you will destroy any value they might have.

[BigPimping]

That is really cool. I hope you find some information with some experts.

[CSACANNONEER]

Do NOT restore them unless, you have it professionally done. Even then, it may detract from the overall value. Personally, I'd leave them as is.

[big red]

they look like they could come from the Ottoman period and my guess would be Turkish. do you know if he went to southern spain in his historical travels?

[sealocan]

Glock model #1 ?

[rdfact]

Help Identifying Please

There was a TV show called "Master of Arms", sort of like "Forged in Fire", where contestants would build odd weapons. Episode 1 they built a Flintlock Axe Pistol.
The weapon in this video at 1:15 looks just like yours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSG9hCqWJQ

[TKM]

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10605615/guns-for-sale-pre-1899/handguns/unknown-flintlock-gun-percussion-pirate-pistol-knife-axe

[whutsup40]

Those are pretty sweet!

[chrisw4789]

My parents lived in Spain for 10 years and my Dad has several replica weapons that look nice (as these do) but are only for decoration. Let us know what you discover. I hope they are 1000 years old!

[plumbum]

The combo black powder/martial arms were an actual thing, but it’s possible that they are also cobbled together from old parts to sell as tourist souvenirs - still pretty cool.

[pitfighter]

Their value is in the fact that they belonged to your family member.

These were not designed ever to fire. They were manufactured to look old and worn, they are still made the same way and sold in bazaars and markets in North Africa and elsewhere.
These type of decorative items were the entry drug to my collecting hobby as a teenager, we had lots available in antique shops in England.

(The barrel will be seamed pipe, and back into the wood of the stock with no breech, there is usually no touch-hole. The metal of the frizzen won't elicit a spark from any flint.)


Enjoy them.

Look at an actual middle-Eastern musket lock from this period and the difference will be obvious.