Help identify please

[fjeezy]

Can somebody please help me identify this old muzzleloader? Going through a deceased family members stuff and found these two gems. The repeater is a Spencer Repeater Carbine.

From what I remember, my Uncle said that he removed the firing mechanisms on all his guns when I was young and he was living with me, but not being familiar with either of these guns, I don't know what that means.

If there is anyone that would be willing to take a look at them in person and evaluate them to get them shooting again, please DM me or send me in the right direction.

Thanks!

[SonofWWIIDI]

I’m sure someone will be IMG shortly to tell you exactly what it is.

The only thing I was able find that was similar are early model of the sharps or spencer rifles. But I didn’t see any with ram rods.

Better pics and any other descriptive info would probably be helpful.
Any markings?
Any idea what caliber?
Etc.

Good luck!

[Sir Toast]

Glock 33

[hermosabeach]

Looks similar to the 1871 spencer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMeII90E_A

[SonofWWIIDI]

Okay, and now I get it, there are two different rifles. The first 2 pics appear to be the same, the 3rd appears to be the sharps/Spencer. And OP mentioned that in the first post. Reading comprehension fail.

My bad.

[sealocan]

The Muzzleloader might be an Austrian Lorenz rifle that was available for use in the Civil War.

Are there any markings on it at all?

[sealocan]

Here is a link with a good photo examples of a close copy of the Lorenz rifle. Takes a close look at the trigger, the location of the pins in the firing mechanism and the front metal barrel band, the shape of the wood stock, Etc.
...

http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/1854LORENZ.htm

I should make it clear I'm not an expert on old percussion cap rifles like that so I absolutely could be wrong and I hope someone here knows exactly what it is.

[sealocan]

I know we have some percussion / "real old school" rifle collectors here.
Can anyone confirm my amateur guess or better yet actually tell them what they really have?

[pitfighter]

Absolutely love the Spencer - such an interesting mechanism.

Will add one to my collection soon.

[armenjs802]

My only cali banned rifle ya my Luck! lol