T.Barker double barrel shotgun

[waynesworld12]

I am think of selling this However have a question;
Do this have to go through an FFL?

[nadodave]

If it's 1899 or older than no.

[Killer Bee]

where ya at?

exposed hammers?

[vonlemberg]

If it’s 1970 and older and you are selling to someone who has current C&R and COE license then no
But person who bought it needs to register on line within 10days

[waynesworld12]

where ya at?

exposed hammers?

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located in Escondido

[SkyHawk]

If it's 1899 or older than no.

1898 or older = no FFL

1899 or later = FFL required

[SkyHawk]

If it’s 1970 and older and you are selling to someone who has current C&R and COE license then no
But person who bought it needs to register on line within 10days

03FFL w/COE has 30 days to register in state acquisitions

And technically if it is older than Sept 1 1971, it is C&R now

[waynesworld12]

Best as I could find they were made from 1890 -1910
No sure of the gauge -a 12g shell will not fit(a little too big)
It also came with a riffled insert for one barrel

[Killer Bee]

have to look for proofs that might lead to exact origin

looks like the forend is off, do you see any markings?

here's a bore reference that might help you determine gauge size

[Mike A]

Likely made in Belgium and should have a proof mark with a large crown in the center. Try one of the shotgun collector's websites for a translation of the proof--some of them have a table of the dates when the various proofs were used and that will give you a range of dates when your gun was made.

Probably a 16 ga, but you can't rule out a 14, especially if the gun was made for use in Europe. But I think that T. Barker was exclusively a brand of one of the big US catalog retailers, maybe Sears or Montgomery Wards.

[Mike A]

I forgot to mention that the Belgian proofmark typically has the capital letters "ELG" above and around the large crown image.

If your gun mentions smokeless powder at all, in barrel markings or proofs, it is very likely NOT C&R. Smokeless came into use in shotguns primarily after 1899, and I wouldn't expect a Barker to be "cutting edge" technology.

Your gun looks to be of better finish than most of the brand. One thing to remember when pricing it is that almost all American shotguns with "damascus" barrels, including some of the most prestigious brands like Lefever and Fox, used Belgian-sourced barrel blanks, which were then finished and fitted in the US. Belgians were the worldwide acknowledged experts in making these "damascus," "stub" and "laminated" barrels. So your inexpensive double may have barrels made by a classy factory.

(Figuring out who exactly made them is a science in and of itself--if you go to www.doublegunshop.com/BBS and tell the old boys there all of the markings on the water table and bottoms of the barrels, they might be able to tell you exactly who the barrel maker was and help you date the gun. Generally a very civil and knowledgeable crowd there.).

[waynesworld12]

Thanks for all the info- I sent a few pics to the doublegun shop
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[waynesworld12]

Doublegunshop -never replied back
Anyone got any ideas-collecting too much dust and needs to go

[waynesworld12]

Ready to go

[Xerxes]

Does this sucker have a rifled centerfire insert in it?

If so what caliber?

That might negate the antique exemption if that is post 1898 modification/insert and you cannot remove it for the sale.



Whats ya thinking so far on the value and what you would sell it for?