Unissued Swedish Mauser on Gunbroker. (not mine.)

[SVT-40]

For knowledge, at what point does the bolt have that ring permanently? I'd assume a few shots it'd be able to be wiped off, but after a few dozen rounds it's permanently there

I don't know how many round one would have to fire so the primer ring would be visible.. The ring is caused by high pressure gasses bleeding back around the primer at the instance of firing... The gasses eventually erode face of the bolt leaving the telltale ring..

I would guess at least a few hundred...

[Armistice]

I don't know how many round one would have to fire so the primer ring would be visible.. The ring is caused by high pressure gasses bleeding back around the primer at the instance of firing... The gasses eventually erode face of the bolt leaving the telltale ring..

I would guess at least a few hundred...

Welp, off to check my "Unissued" K31. I haven't even fired it. Maybe I can figure out "how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop"... so to speak

EDIT: It appears to be better than the one pictured, but I still see a faint ring if you hold it in the light just right. My guess is it would come up during QC test firing. I'd say an eroded ring is not unissued, but a slight or very faint ring do not necessarily mean it was issued

[Discogodfather]

I bought from this seller in the past, he is a good guy and has some remarkably nice stuff. Definitely a collectors eye, I bought K98 from him about a year ago.

"Unissued" is an overused and ambiguous term to say the least. With those crisp stock cartouches and the metal graining it would have to be an absolutely expert restoration, which begs the question: why put that kind of time and money into a rifle that isn't worth that much. That would leave me to believe it's not restored.

I'd value that at $500-600 but you know how these things can go out of control on GB. I agree with Jimmy- Still a nice rifle!

[Crunch130]

Very nice rifle.

But something about that stock disk is fishy. If it's unissued since shortened to M38 length, why does the stock disk indicate mid-life barrel wear? A new barrel should have a bore of 6.46 or 6.47 mm, not 6.50. That's a difference of over .001 inch to the bore.

You would think they put on a new barrel when they shortened it. Maybe that's not the way they did things.

Crunch

[mievil]

Beautiful rifle. And we really should have a rule about posting active auctions.

[SVT-40]

Very nice rifle.

But something about that stock disk is fishy. If it's unissued since shortened to M38 length, why does the stock disk indicate mid-life barrel wear? A new barrel should have a bore of 6.46 or 6.47 mm, not 6.50. That's a difference of over .001 inch to the bore.

You would think they put on a new barrel when they shortened it. Maybe that's not the way they did things.

Crunch

New Swedish barrels will measure all over a accepted range...Remember tooling will wear, and will make a smaller bore when new.. Once the tool is worn to the point where it no longer makes a bore size which is acceptable it will be replaced..

So not all new swedish military bores will be 6.46... Ect.

Besides "barrel wear" is not indicated by bore size.. That indication on the disc is shown in the area with the numerals 1,2 and 3 A "new" or unworn bore will have no markings. As the bore wears the armorer will make a mark by the next number, up until it exceeds a "3" then the barrel would be replaced.


Check out this M/38... It has been issued, but has virtually no wear.. The stock disc is also unusual, and indicates it was issued to the Gotenberg naval dock yard...It is all stamped matching and a very late production rifle.






This m/38 was never issued after it's last armorers inspection (as indicated by the inspectors tape with the year 74 on the stock) Also a nice all stamped matching rifle.

[Enfield47]

Those are some fine looking Swede's SVT-40. That one one GB looks really nice too, hopefully someone here will get it.

[Mustang]

I thought I had a pristine Swede until I saw this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=462981807

Any bets on the final landing price? I say this rifle is a steel at $750. What are your thoughts?

Dano

The seller seems to be "unissued" happy. Claims this one is unissued, even though the bolt body is parkerized and clearly not original.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=462965735

[Danodog]

This the best I can do with my 96/38 1905 rifle. The barrel appears to be new inside and the wood has a few dings but overall I am pleased. Mine has a 72 locker tag. Mine appears to have seen some use, and is no where near the condition of the above link. The only difference is that I paid around $129 for that mauser back in the early 90's. No way am I selling!

[Mustang]

I've got several of the Husqvarna M38's and a few of the CG M38's.

All other things being equal (they aren't...my Husky M38's are in excellent condition) is there a significant difference in value between the Husky and CG M38's?

[Flyin Brian]

New Swedish barrels will measure all over a accepted range...Remember tooling will wear, and will make a smaller bore when new.. Once the tool is worn to the point where it no longer makes a bore size which is acceptable it will be replaced..

So not all new swedish military bores will be 6.46... Ect.

I'm no machinist so maybe that's why this is so confusing to me... but I'm having trouble understanding how new tooling makes a smaller hole? Seems to me as the tooling wears down, it would not cut the rifling/grooves as deep... which would make a tighter bore. Am I missing something?

Besides "barrel wear" is not indicated by bore size.. That indication on the disc is shown in the area with the numerals 1,2 and 3 A "new" or unworn bore will have no markings. As the bore wears the armorer will make a mark by the next number, up until it exceeds a "3" then the barrel would be replaced.

I have always heard the 1,2,3 section of the disc is to note the level of rust or corrosion in the grooves. Wouldn't the amount of wear on a bore be noted on the largest section of the disc where they show what size bore gauge fits in the bore?

[MauserMike]

Yep they often look like that.

Here is a pic of a NOS Swedish floor plate and trigger guard/ mag assembly (notice no serial numbers)

It too has the "brushed look"...

Nice, i would have guessed someone tried to clean it up or something. But then again i have yet to add a swede to my collection! Just seeing a rifle this old and this clean makes me inspect it twice as thorough

[adamjay]

Wow. Thanks to everyone for your input and discussion.
Nice rifles, guys.

So is it a rifle that was rebarrelled during the conversion from M/96 to M/38?
The stock disc staining seems inconsistent with the stock. Hard to tell in pics, though.

[beerman]

Back in the late 80s,I used to frequent Federal Ordinance (later called Briklee trading) in So Elmonte. They had imported hundreds of swedes. They were pieced around $90 to $140 (if I remember correctly) They had many that looked as close to new as the posted rifle. I could kick myself for not picking up a few of them.

[Crunch130]

I've seen Swedish armorers' bore gage sets on E-bay. They are precision round rods. They measure bore at the lands. That got progressively punched on the disc as the barrel wore when the rifle was in for inspection, up to the point the condition number exceeded 3. Then a new barrel was installed.

My impression was the condition number was determined by visual inspection, as Flyin Brian says.

BTW, you guys are posting some photos of really nice guns. Incredibly nice guns.

Mine is sorta nice, but really a work in progress from a beater gun. I got my 1942 Husqvarna in a shop in Yuma, AZ on a business trip. Cut down military stock. What I hoped was just a dirty bore turned out to be substantial rust. Lands and grooves. So a fellow collector sold me one of his stashed NOS barrels. I bought an action wrench, made a barrel vise, and changed it out. Got a complete stockset on E-Bay. Barrel is still in the white, so I'm going to try to rust blue it.

Regards,

Crunch