C&R Determination for MK 11 Mod 0

[crazy_frank]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=454593642

[freonr22]

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[zinfull]

Yes that could work, BUT, you have to do the paperwork and submit it to the ATF for consideration. You will in the meantime have it bastardized to ca standards.

[mosinnagantm9130]

That actually isn't a bad test for #3 I'd think.

1 of 100? It's got rarity.

It's not really novel or bizarre, but it certainly is associated with a figure(s)/event.

I'm interested to see how this pans out.

[crazy_frank]

I Don't mind bastardizing this one just a little bit.

I've submitted a letter on another .22 ba rifle awhile back, and heard nothing back from them (ATF). It's been a month probably. How long should the consideration process take?

You're saying the ATF approval is absolutely required before documenting it as a C&R?

Or, can I purchase it, then wait for consideration?

[Capybara]

The last addition to the ATF C&R list was in 2010. Good luck. I wonder if Dear Leader or Eric Holder told the ATF to freeze additions to the list as a punishment to us gun owners?

[TRICKSTER]

I Don't mind bastardizing this one just a little bit.

I've submitted a letter on another .22 ba rifle awhile back, and heard nothing back from them (ATF). It's been a month probably. How long should the consideration process take?

You're saying the ATF approval is absolutely required before documenting it as a C&R?

Or, can I purchase it, then wait for consideration?

It has to be 50 years old or on the list. If it's not, it's not C&R.
You do not get to make your own additions. You can submit guns for consideration, but it's their decision as to if it will be added to the list.

[crazy_frank]

It has to be 50 years old or on the list. If it's not, it's not C&R.
You do not get to make your own additions. You can submit guns for consideration, but it's their decision as to if it will be added to the list.

To my understanding, There are constant additions in respect to the classification C&R, though maybe not FORMALLY listed. There are always new commemoratives, and other bizarre and rare firearms being made. These would be classified as curios and relics, no? The firearm does NOT have to be 50 years old to be a C&R firearm.

True, there hasn't been a formal update to the list since 2010. Maybe Holder has Kabosh'ed new additions. That's not to say C&R eligible firearms have not been made since 2010. We need clarifications!!!

[TRICKSTER]

To my understanding, There are constant additions in respect to the classification C&R, though maybe not FORMALLY listed. There are always new commemoratives, and other bizarre and rare firearms being made. These would be classified as curios and relics, no? The firearm does NOT have to be 50 years old to be a C&R firearm.

True, there hasn't been a formal update to the list since 2010. Maybe Holder has Kabosh'ed new additions. That's not to say C&R eligible firearms have not been made since 2010. We need clarifications!!!

And that is why I said "or".
There are firearms added to the list all the time but just because a firearm is a commemorative, bizarre or rare does not mean that it is automatically C&R. The only time a firearm automatically becomes C&R is when it is 50 years old. Any other is only considered a C&R if someone submits it to ATF for consideration and they agree that it meets the criteria and add it to the list. The problem that we have is that they do not publish the updated list on a regular basis.

[jl7422]

Expect to wait anywhere from 6 months to a year to hear back on your request for a determination.

[monkey]

You are misinterpreting the criteria quite a bit.

As stated, only firearm age is an automatic qualifier and this still assumes the firearm is in "original configuration". All other qualifiers are made only at the discretion of ATF.

The "historical event" qualifier does not encompass examples of the firearm, but only the specifically associated firearm itself. For example, for a particular Mk11 to qualify here, it would necessarily have to be one of the actual sniper rifles used in the operation, not simply the same make and model. Only that individual Mk11 Mod0 would be added to the C&R list, including its serial number to intentionally exclude all other non-associated examples of the same make and model. The Mk11 Mod 0 units in civilian hands have no association to the Captain Phillips rescue, they are merely representative of the rifles used in the operation.

Separately, 100 units, even if verifiably true, wouldn't be viewed as "rare" as a C&R qualifier either. "Rare" isn't defined here, but clearly assumes not only a very small number, but also a permanently fixed number. If KAC were to somehow go permanently out of business thereby effectively sealing the number of Mk11s, then there may be an argument here, but nothing is stopping KAC from going into full production on the Mk11 Mod0 and releasing another 5000 identical units into the civilian market. This supposition is inherent to "rare".

[Capybara]

I do wonder how things like my P64 made it onto the list. Anyone know?