Is this a thing?

[IEatZ28]

Is it a thing for someone with a C&R to buy in this case the romy Tokarov and register it and then sell it to someone else and they register it? Not really a straw purchase or whatever cause it's legally being bought and transferred? Or is it illegal?

[Armistice]

Is it a thing for someone with a C&R to buy in this case the romy Tokarov and register it and then sell it to someone else and they register it? Not really a straw purchase or whatever cause it's legally being bought and transferred? Or is it illegal?

An 03 is not a business license. It's supposed to only be for collecting

However, I dont see a problem with said situation, but why do that? Cut out the middle man and just buy it

Or is the middleman buying from an 03 only dealer to sell to the end buyer? Still odd, but I see nothing illegal about it really

[ccandgc]

Just my $.02, personally would be too close to a straw purchase. I wouldn't do it. Others might.....

[IEatZ28]

I can't find one locally I want one so bad I just don't want to put any one out or get anyone in trouble

[thenodnarb]

buying with the intent to resell requires the right license. LAPD officers were doing something similar and the ATF busted them. Buying one and later deciding to sell it is a different story.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I can't find one locally I want one so bad I just don't want to put any one out or get anyone in trouble

Why don't you order one from the same place the C&R FFL was going to order it from and have it shipped to your local dealer?

[thenodnarb]

Just my $.02, personally would be too close to a straw purchase. I wouldn't do it. Others might.....

a straw purchase is buying a gun for someone who is prohibited from possessing a gun. Buying a gun for a family member as a gift,or for a friend as a gift, is ok, as long as the transfer is done legally. Its done all the time in other states. here it requires more FFL fees and wait times.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

a straw purchase is buying a gun for someone who is prohibited from possessing a gun.

ATF and the U.S. Supreme Court disagree with you on this.

[Armistice]

Link the correct verbage please as what Nodnarb said is how I have been hearing it for the last few yrs I've been here

[thenodnarb]

ATF and the U.S. Supreme Court disagree with you on this.

From the NSSF flyer which the ATF partnered with to advertise their "don't lie for the other guy" campaign:

"What is a straw purchase?
A straw purchase occurs when the
actual buyer of a firearm is unable to
pass the required federal background
check, or does not want his or her full
name associated with the purchase,
and has someone else who can pass
the required background check
purchase the
firearm for him
or her."

While the second part may seem like it could be broadly interpreted, it has to do with intent. Many people in other states only buy private party for this very reason(not to have any DROS records) yet they are not guilty of or party to a straw purchase, unless they are asking someone to make a purchase at a gun store specifically for them.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...yet they are not guilty of or party to a straw purchase, unless they are asking someone to make a purchase at a gun store specifically for them.

The OP was asking if somebody else could purchase a gun from a dealer for him. ATF says that's a straw purchase, even if the final buyer is not a prohibited person and even if the final buyer does the transfer through an FFL. The Supreme Court agreed with ATF's interpretation in the Abramski case.

Gifts are fine and buying a gun for yourself and then selling it when you no longer want it is fine. But buying a gun from a dealer with the intent of selling it to somebody else is considered a straw purchase.

[thenodnarb]

The OP was asking if somebody else could purchase a gun from a dealer for him. ATF says that's a straw purchase, even if the final buyer is not a prohibited person and even if the final buyer does the transfer through an FFL. The Supreme Court agreed with ATF's interpretation in the Abramski case.

Gifts are fine and buying a gun for yourself and then selling it when you no longer want it is fine. But buying a gun from a dealer with the intent of selling it to somebody else is considered a straw purchase.

You should read the OP's post again. That is not what he is asking. OP seems to think that it would be easier for an 03 FFL to import the gun into the state, then purchase it from the 03 through an 01 or 07. My first post says that the 03 doesn't have the right license for this(buying with intent to resell). Someone said its a straw purchase, which might be true if the intent was for the OP to buy from the 03 without a DROS and 01 involved. That however is not the case. He is asking if the 03 could sell it to him through a regular dealer(hence the "registration" part of his question).

OP misunderstands that C&R hanguns are roster exempt(right?)And could just as easily do it himself through a normal FFL dealer.

The 03 is not committing a straw purchase as long as he does a proper transfer through a a dealer. However, he might loose his license and be fined for acting as a dealer in some capacity. The LAPD officers did something similar. They bought guns that were LAPD only and were reselling them at a premium since only they could buy them. ATF charged them with dealing without a license even though they went through dealers for both purchase and sale since their intent was to purchase for resell. They were not charged with straw purchasing AFAIK.

[watt79]

In my opinion, such use of an 03 license would be a violation of the license terms (buying with the intent to resell). I would not put myself in that position.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

You should read the OP's post again. That is not what he is asking. OP seems to think that it would be easier for an 03 FFL to import the gun into the state, then purchase it from the 03 through an 01 or 07. My first post says that the 03 doesn't have the right license for this(buying with intent to resell). Someone said its a straw purchase, which might be true if the intent was for the OP to buy from the 03 without a DROS and 01 involved. That however is not the case. He is asking if the 03 could sell it to him through a regular dealer(hence the "registration" part of his question).

OP misunderstands that C&R hanguns are roster exempt(right?)And could just as easily do it himself through a normal FFL dealer.

The 03 is not committing a straw purchase as long as he does a proper transfer through a a dealer. However, he might loose his license and be fined for acting as a dealer in some capacity. The LAPD officers did something similar. They bought guns that were LAPD only and were reselling them at a premium since only they could buy them. ATF charged them with dealing without a license even though they went through dealers for both purchase and sale since their intent was to purchase for resell. They were not charged with straw purchasing AFAIK.

The OP made it perfectly clear that he and the C&R FFL would do a proper transfer through a dealer. But Abramski and his uncle did both transfers through an FFL and Abramski was still convicted for doing a straw purchase. You implied that it isn't a straw purchase if the buyer isn't prohibited and isn't trying to avoid using a dealer. Abramski's uncle wasn't prohibited and didn't avoid the 4473 or background check but Abramski was convicted anyway.

[ccandgc]

Go for it...let us know how it works out.

a straw purchase is buying a gun for someone who is prohibited from possessing a gun. Buying a gun for a family member as a gift,or for a friend as a gift, is ok, as long as the transfer is done legally. Its done all the time in other states. here it requires more FFL fees and wait times.