Question on selling C&R rifle to 03FFL holder.

[strider53]

I have a Lee enfield that I have made a deal with another calgunner to sell to him. He is in possession of a current 03FFL and a current COE. My question is, can I give the rifle to him once money changes hand without going through the DROS proccess, and if so what kind of paperwork do I need to keep/give to do this legally? I want to make sure this is all well above board.

[SanPedroShooter]

Slightly uncharted territory for me but I'll weigh in.

In a word, yes. If he is in possession of a COE and FFL03 he is exempted from the DROS process for a C&R long gun.

I fall into that category, so buying or selling I would be logging the info in my book, otherwise cash and a handshake is always good enough for me. Its the American way.

You hold no FLL so your paperwork is up to you.

On second thought, if you registered the thing with the state after Jan 1 2014, you might want to let them no you are no longer in possession. Its a form you fill out.

[echo1]

[QUOTE=SanPedroShooter;14835286]Otherwise cash and a handshake is always good enough for me. Its the American way.[QUOTE]

Agreed, it's how it had been done in the past, and still done in free states. Kali...don't get me/us started. PAX

[SanPedroShooter]

An old thread but with some PC cites.

The CG Wiki hasn't been updated.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=852230

[strider53]

That was my basic understanding of the law as well I just wanted it conformined. I've had the rifle for over 8 years now so the January 1st change isn't an issue. I tried to research this myself but the laws are so complicated now I came away more confused than when I started.

[strider53]

Thanks for the info guys, I appreciate it. I really didn't want to be inadvertently breaking the law!

[mycrstuff]

Is there any way to verify the COE or even know what one looks like? I need to thin the herd and selling to a C&R would be preferred to a PPT.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Is there any way to verify the COE or even know what one looks like? I need to thin the herd and selling to a C&R would be preferred to a PPT.

It is a very basic form issued by the state. Sort of anti-climactic after all the hoops and expense in getting it. There isn't any easy way to verify it as far as I know, but a FFL03 needs one because they can't register the weapon without having a valid one.

[SanPedroShooter]

It is a very basic form issued by the state. Sort of anti-climactic after all the hoops and expense in getting it. There isn't any easy way to verify it as far as I know, but a FFL03 needs one because they can't register the weapon without having a valid one.

Its like a crappy printed out high school diploma. I imagine you could make one on your version of windows 95.

[Quiet]

In a word, yes. If he is in possession of a COE and FFL03 he is exempted from the DROS process for a C&R long gun.

I fall into that category, so buying or selling I would be logging the info in my book, otherwise cash and a handshake is always good enough for me. Its the American way.

You hold no FLL so your paperwork is up to you.

On second thought, if you registered the thing with the state after Jan 1 2014, you might want to let them no you are no longer in possession. Its a form you fill out.

What he said.


Penal Code 27966
Commencing January 1, 2014, if all of the following requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 shall not apply to the sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The firearm is not a handgun.
(c) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(d) The person receiving the firearm has a current certificate of eligibility issued pursuant to Section 26710.
(e) The person receiving the firearm is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued thereto.
(f) Within 30 days of taking possession of the firearm, the person to whom it is transferred shall forward by prepaid mail, or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report that includes information concerning the individual taking possession of the firearm, how title was obtained and from whom, and a description of
the firearm in question. The report forms that individuals complete pursuant to this section shall be provided to them by the department.

[CharlesV]

Its like a crappy printed out high school diploma. I imagine you could make one on your version of windows 95.

When mine arrived I thought it was a joke, i said ok where is the real COE? I thought it was a cover receipt or something. For what we go through on all this crap, I was expecting an engraved silver plate inside a sold gold frame, inside a carved walnut box. I was! But no! They give you this...this....CHINSY crappy piece of third-hand copy machine paper with your name on it. WTF. Who would believe such a document!?

[SanPedroShooter]

When mine arrived I thought it was a joke, i said ok where is the real COE? I thought it was a cover receipt or something. For what we go through on all this crap, I was expecting an engraved silver plate inside a sold gold frame, inside a carved walnut box. I was! But no! They give you this...this....CHINSY crappy piece of third-hand copy machine paper with your name on it. WTF. Who would believe such a document!?

Exactly. I might make one with a crayon while I wait for the real one to get here.

Did you ever read 'unintended consequences' by a man named John Ross?

He posits that if the state required gun owners to tie red ribbons on their rifle barrels or face penalties, we'd all rush to see who could tie the knots the fastest.

The democrats in Sacremento are just ****ing with us now.

[Capybara]

The democrats Politicians of all parties in Sacramento are just have been ****ing with us now for decades.

Fixed that for you.