Brescia 1934 ?

[fatphatboy88]

I was in a local pawn shop today and they had 3 rifles that lookeed like they had the same actions but different stocks on each one. They were all marked Brescia 1934 on the tag but the only marking i found on any of the guns was "1934 XII" marked at the breech end of the barrel. It is a small caliber barrel and the magazine looked like it would hold something similar to the FN 5.7 round.

Oh and just saw a picture of the TOZ-78 /Winchester Wildcat and the action looks very close to those with the mag box integrated into the trigger guard. Even the shape of those looks very very close to what these guns looked like.

They were all in the $60-90 range so I was wondering if anybody had ever heard of them because they look interesting but I wouldnt wanna buy one if I cant find ammo or anything for it.

[Spiggy]

Brescia is a place in italy, home to a bunch of firearms manufacturers

Could be a carcano that you were looking at

[Sampachi]

Just a wild guess, but were they Carcanos?

[Spiggy]

sounds like a carcano if it has a giant box integrated with the trigger guard

[fatphatboy88]

yeah after lookin at pics of carcanos on the internet, that is exactly what they were. And the reason I said such a small round as the FN 5.7 is cause the dealer told me that was the magazine but after seeing pics I quickly realized that it was the stripper clip. But only one of them had the full stock like the ones I saw on the internet and it was almost black in color it was so dirty. The other two had very light colored stocks, almost a blondish color, and they were more of a sporter style stock. You reckon those two have been refinished and had the fore end of the stock cut down? Also how would I tell if these were the 6.5x52mm version or the 7.35 version?

This is what two of them look like. Very small and short compared to the third. And also much cleaner and lighter stock then this one in the auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109968010

The third dirty one looks like this. And none of them have the bayonet on them.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109773585

[Sampachi]

What I know about Carcanos could fill a half a shot glass.
The 'dirty' one sounds like a TS Carbine. I seem to recall that black stocks have some sort of special significance, but I don't really collect these rifles. Oswald purportedly used the TS.

The other might just be the regular cavalry carbine or it might be sporterized. The 7.35 version was only made in the TS style. You might want to check it for a Finn Army 'SA' in a box mark, as these are somewhat collectible.

Carcanos are fairly easy to convert to 7.62x39. I've been considering this as I think it would make a handy little 'fun' rifle. Might want to go to Gunboards.com and ask on their Carcano forum.

[Moonclip]

I'd maybe pick up the non sporterized one/ones at $60-90 if I was you. If you decide not to(ammo is expensive, hard to find especially in 7.35) please PM me the shop location. Thanks.

Finn Marked M38's are actually more common than non marked versions.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Ok, if it is a short rifle, and the stock is black, not just dirty, buy it. Now. And for god's sake, don't try to clean it off. Those were the rifles used by Mussilini's elite bodyguard. $90 is a steal. It is also a good price for a regular one, and an ok price for the sporters. The barrel dimeter is usually stamped on the gun. Either 6.5 or 7.35 by the rear sight. If you don't want them, let me know where they are, and I'll get them. You can get ammo for them, or you can roll your own. Both sizes. It just takes a bit of looking. The 6.5 is a little under 6.5x55 in terms of power. It is more or less the ballistic twin of 6.5x54 mannlicher. The 7.35 is almost identical to .300 savage. They are good guns, but take some getting used to.

-Mb

[dfletcher]

yeah after lookin at pics of carcanos on the internet, that is exactly what they were. And the reason I said such a small round as the FN 5.7 is cause the dealer told me that was the magazine but after seeing pics I quickly realized that it was the stripper clip. But only one of them had the full stock like the ones I saw on the internet and it was almost black in color it was so dirty. The other two had very light colored stocks, almost a blondish color, and they were more of a sporter style stock. You reckon those two have been refinished and had the fore end of the stock cut down? Also how would I tell if these were the 6.5x52mm version or the 7.35 version?

This is what two of them look like. Very small and short compared to the third. And also much cleaner and lighter stock then this one in the auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109968010

The third dirty one looks like this. And none of them have the bayonet on them.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=109773585

Not really a stripper clip, but a clip. The rounds (holds 6) are snapped into place - think of it as a single stack garand clip - and the entire unit is stuffed into the rifle through the open action, snapping into place. There's a spring powered lever that presses up on the bottom round. After the last round is fired the clip drops out the open bottom.

I paid about $13.00 for my one & only Carcano with a crappy little side mounted scope- liked it OK, very little recoil and accurate. Stocks tend to be fairly light colored.