I Tried for my FFL C&R but I was surprised when....

[timmy8151]

I have a C&R FFL and COE. I only got the COE recently because I wanted to cash and carry C&R firearms.

[SVT_Fox]

I have a C&R FFL and COE. I only got the COE recently because I wanted to cash and carry C&R firearms.

wait I thought that is what the C&R allowed us to do.......I thoght the COE lets us by more then one hand gun per 30 days

[ocabj]

Since no one has addressed the Live Scan, that's pretty much a procedure where you go in to a Live Scan office and have your finger prints scanned and recorded for State background checks. Most people will never see a Live Scan office unless they get a job where the employer requests a background check (ie: State jobs) or for certain types of certifications (ie: medical certifications, locksmiths).

I had to get Live Scanned when I became full time employed by the University of California. I always wondered if the University was informed about all of my firearms (particularly my registered AWs) after the Live Scan...

[mow]

wait I thought that is what the C&R allowed us to do.......I thoght the COE lets us by more then one hand gun per 30 days

Read what TonyNorCal posted on the first page of this about the COE, that should clear it up for you Fox.

[NRAhighpowershooter]

OK.. I have a C&R question... You give your local LEO dept a copy of the application... what if they show up at your door and want to take a look around and see what firearms you have and type of safe.. can they do that?

[EOD Guy]

OK.. I have a C&R question... You give your local LEO dept a copy of the application... what if they show up at your door and want to take a look around and see what firearms you have and type of safe.. can they do that?

Not without a warrant.

[-hanko]

OK.. I have a C&R question... You give your local LEO dept a copy of the application... what if they show up at your door and want to take a look around and see what firearms you have and type of safe.. can they do that?

No. Not a lawyer but they'd need probable cause as to some issue other than an application for a C&R license. I've had a C&R for a LONG time in the firearms-liberal SF Bay area & have never heard of/experienced a pre-licensing visit from the cops. You may be confusing the C&R application with that for an 01 FFL (regular for profit dealer) where an inspection is done before licensing by the batfe and, probably in the prk, by the local cops.

-hanko

[Yute]

Tony, Et al.,
Thank you very much for the info. I am probably going to apply for a C&R because of this thread!

[SVT_Fox]

Tony, Et al.,
Thank you very much for the info. I am probably going to apply for a C&R because of this thread!

good! I sent mine out yesterday!

[NRAhighpowershooter]

You may be confusing the C&R application with that for an 01 FFL (regular for profit dealer) where an inspection is done before licensing by the batfe and, probably in the prk, by the local cops.

No not confused at all.. The LEO leadership in San Leandro is VERRY anti-gun and I don't trust them.

[mow]

This link provides a lot of good info about the application process

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

[thedrickel]

Pardon my threadjack, but I'm interested in getting a COE in addition to my C&R cause I want to cash and carry C&R handguns, I've been livescanned before, do I need to do it again or do they have me permanently on file?

Also, my understanding of the C&R handgun deal in the PRK is that when mail/internet ordering a C&R handgun, even with a COE you STILL have to have it sent to an 01 who receives it for you, and transfers it to you w/o DROS. Is that right? Have you had any luck finding a dealer that doesn't charge normal dealer/transfer fees for this? What a hassle the PRK is, I'm SOOO going to NV to buy some CZ's and Makarovs. . .that way I can buy what I want and just send the CA DOJ form in to report importation of C&R handguns. What a PITA

[Gunhacker]

Also, my understanding of the C&R handgun deal in the PRK is that when mail/internet ordering a C&R handgun, even with a COE you STILL have to have it sent to an 01 who receives it for you, and transfers it to you w/o DROS. Is that right?

Nope... not in all cases.

If the seller wants to ship via the USPS (Postal Service), you have to go through a dealer... the language in the Federal Postal regulations only allow "dealers" to ship handguns to each other via the US Mail.

If the gun is shipped via one of the "common carriers" (UPS & FedEx), which will charge an arm & leg because they require all handguns to go via overnight air... then you, as a C&R hold can take delivery of the gun, from a dealer or another C&R.

It's crazy because the Federal Firearm Laws, does not make a distinction between a dealer and an C&R regarding the US Mail... you just need to be a licensee.

It's the US Postal reg that disallows anyone other than a licensed dealer to ship handguns via US Mail.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Nope... not in all cases...

If the gun is shipped via one of the "common carriers" (UPS & FedEx), which will charge an arm & leg because they require all handguns to go via overnight air... then you, as a C&R hold can take delivery of the gun, from a dealer or another C&R...

California law requires handguns to be transfered through a California licensed dealer. You are correct about the Postal regs being more specific about who can mail handguns, but this has nothing to do with California's restriction on who can have handguns shipped them in California.

For a California C&R FFL to acquire handguns without going through a California licensed dealer, they need to aquire the handguns in person while out of state and then bring them back to California themselves and register them.

[EOD Guy]

Also, my understanding of the C&R handgun deal in the PRK is that when mail/internet ordering a C&R handgun, even with a COE you STILL have to have it sent to an 01 who receives it for you, and transfers it to you w/o DROS. Is that right?

Yes and no.

All handguns transfers in the state have to go through a California dealer. Even with a C&R FFL and COE, you still have to DROS the handgun.