COE useless due to new DOJ system

[beetle]

Hi Folks. Just ran into a frustrating issue that I want to share with the board.

Today I met up with another calgunner to do a PPT of a C&R handgun. I have a C&R license as well as a COE. As you may know, the law states that having both a C&R and COE will exempt me from the 10 day waiting period for a handgun transfer.

If the licensee also holds a Certificate of Eligibility (COE) from the California DOJ, they are exempt from the 10-day waiting period when buying C&R firearms from a dealer. [PC 12078(t)(1)]

I have in the past used this exemption to purchase handguns and take possession of them the same day.

HOWEVER, the DROS system was completely switched out at the beginning of this year. It appears that there is no way to enter the C&R and COE exemption into the new system.

The store I was at called the DOJ DROS hotline. While they were aware of the C&R + COE exemption, after some research confirmed that the system does not support this exemption.

The seller and I also called several other gun shops in the area. They all confirmed that they have not been able to process this exemption since the new system went online.

ARRRGGGHHH. What use is the COE now?

by the way I posted this originally in the FFL forum because I was at the store and we were trying to figure out how to enter it into the system. This was before the DOJ confirmed that there is no way to do this

[Gutter]

Sounds like it may be limited to just PPT's on handguns. I've been able to purchase both a C&R handgun and long gun with my FFL/COE without issue within the last month or so.

[beetle]

Sounds like it may be limited to just PPT's on handguns. I've been able to purchase both a C&R handgun and long gun with my FFL/COE without issue within the last month or so.

Yes, good clarification. They showed me the screens for a normal store transfer of a C&R, the exemption is there.

It is just missing for the PPT.

[rhinemann]

This is very true. If you are buying a pistol from a shop who owns the pistol your COE with FFL03 will work. If it is on consignment or being done as a PPT the COE is useless. The drop down menu does not support COE with Lic. on PPTs. This has happened twice to me this year already. And I don't believe there is any movement to change this error. The only use I can see with a COE is to be able to have a long gun that is over 50 years delivered to your house.
I dont know who or how this error can be fixed. I feel that this is just another way to stop people or slow down legal gun purchases.

[zinfull]

I have not use the new system yet but on the old one the 10 day wait period was marked collector and you did not have to state the reason. It was up to the FFL to know the law and ok the exemption.

[rhinemann]

The new system has a drop down window and it does not give the FFL any selection for COE exemption.
Again no body I know encluding Cal Guns is working on fixing the error. It would be nice to see this error fixed. Just lost another right.

[beetle]

The new system has a drop down window and it does not give the FFL any selection for COE exemption.
Again no body I know encluding Cal Guns is working on fixing the error. It would be nice to see this error fixed. Just lost another right.

this is 100% correct. the new system does not have a drop down for COE. Because of there is no way to mark the PPT as exempt using this method, C&R + COE holders are forced to go back to a standard PPT including 10 day wait.

DOJ knows about this issue but they do not appear to be doing anything about it.

[Capybara]

Hmm...wonder if a nice little lawsuit would prod them toward enabling FFL01 and FFL03 holders to actually follow the law as it is written? Our gun rules here are insanely restrictive and stupid enough, then we get Kamala's goons who won't even follow them?

This seems as if it would not be a very difficult one for the CGF/SAF or CRPA to file on or at least send them a letter of intent if they don't comply, anyone comment from any of these orgs on this?

[Artema]

Who needs the law when you can just write the software to do whatever you want?

[zinfull]

The old system never had a drop down for COE either.

[rhinemann]

There is a drop down window that exempts law enforcement for PPT But there is nothing for COE in the exemption drop down window. Because there is no COE listed the shops won't release the pistol with out the waiting period. For store owned pistols and not a PPT there is a line in the drop down menu listing COE.

[rhinemann]

With out the COE being listed as a exemption in the drop down window shops refuse to release before 10 day waiting period on PPTs. They are worried that DOJ will come down on them.
It's a good question on what value having a COE? I'm not sure if I will renew mine. It serves no value when I go out of state and make a purchase. I've only kept it for in state purchases.

[zinfull]

More shops screwing their customer base.

[Artema]

I can't imagine shops fighting this. PPT is unprofitable, and if you have to wait 10 days you have to go into their shop twice as much, increasing likely-hood of additional purchases.

[Gutter]

With out the COE being listed as a exemption in the drop down window shops refuse to release before 10 day waiting period on PPTs. They are worried that DOJ will come down on them.
It's a good question on what value having a COE? I'm not sure if I will renew mine. It serves no value when I go out of state and make a purchase. I've only kept it for in state purchases.

That's why. When a shop ends up having something you've been looking for and want to take it home same day or if you want to C&C a long gun from a private party.