another CFCL issue between 03 FFL & 01 FFL...

[icormba]

Well,
I (thought) made a great trade for one of my IBM carbines for a Rock-ola Carbine with a guy in PA. The guy in PA does not hold a 03 or 01 FFL so I shipped the IBM to his 01FFL. Now his 01FFL is requesting my CFCL before they will ship the Rock-ola to me!

This is the info I forwarded:

CFCL numbers only apply to California 01 FFL Dealers. 03 FFL holders are exempt from that silly law.

Here's the exemption memo direct from the California DOJ site:

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/infobuls/2008-BOF-05.pdf

The very first paragraph states that this law does not apply to type 03 and type 06 FFL's.

The 01 FFL in PA said... "NO GO!"

Now I am out a Rock-ola and a IBM!!!!!! What should I do next?

p.s. I am a 03 FFL holder.

[halifax]

Yea, it's BS. But if he won't ship it to you maybe find an 01FFL to receive it for you. It's difficult to argue with stupid people.

[ke6guj]

YOu could maybe use Freakshow to middleman it to you. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=114794

[Full Clip]

The law is doing exactly what was intended: Disrupting interstate commerce.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Why don't you just ask the seller to get his carbine back from his local Dealer so he can ship it to you himself? I don't understand why he even used an FFL on his end. An FFL is not required to ship the gun.

[icormba]

Why don't you just ask the seller to get his carbine back from his local Dealer so he can ship it to you himself? I don't understand why he even used an FFL on his end. An FFL is not required to ship the gun.

That's what I told him originally but he ran into issues with FedEx, UPS, and DHL.

[darkest2000]

Contact the ATF and have them straighten things out with the 01FFL in question. They're clearly in the wrong.

[scfast]

That's what I told him originally but he ran into issues with FedEx, UPS, and DHL.

Issues with the carrier's? I think the seller is just blowing smoke up your ***..I have never once had carrier ask more than whats in the package and i reply a long gun and they ask if there is any ammo i reply no done deal..

[Mssr. Eleganté]

That's what I told him originally but he ran into issues with FedEx, UPS, and DHL.

DHL doesn't ship firearms, and FedEx doesn't allow for an unlicensed person to ship to a C&R FFL. But UPS rules allow for it. He should make sure he was trying to ship it from a real UPS facility and not a "UPS Store" franchise. He can also ship it via the US Postal Service.

[scfast]

DHL doesn't ship firearms, and FedEx doesn't allow for an unlicensed person to ship to a C&R FFL. But UPS rules allow for it. He should make sure he was trying to ship it from a real UPS facility and not a "UPS Store" franchise. He can also ship it via the US Postal Service.

Since when does fedex even ask those kinds of questions?I have never been asked anything about the recipient..by ups or fedex with dhl i am clueless...

[darkest2000]

They ask what the item is if you want insurance on the package. Also since federal law requires that you verbally inform the shipper that the package contains a firearm, it doesn't make things any easier.

On one hand you want to do the right thing and inform the shipper, on the other hand it's really a lot less headache if you just keep your mouth shut (and hope the package gets delivered without incident).

Since when does fedex even ask those kinds of questions?I have never been asked anything about the recipient..by ups or fedex with dhl i am clueless...

[icormba]

They ask what the item is if you want insurance on the package. Also since federal law requires that you verbally inform the shipper that the package contains a firearm, it doesn't make things any easier.

On one hand you want to do the right thing and inform the shipper, on the other hand it's really a lot less headache if you just keep your mouth shut (and hope the package gets delivered without incident).

Correct!

The words I used when I filled out the self service label when I got into the UPS center were...
"CMP rifle (DO NOT post these contents to package)"

The UPS clerk then calls me up, scans the label into the system, gives me a total of $18, I pay, and I'm out of there.

[ke6guj]

Also since federal law requires that you verbally inform the shipper that the package contains a firearm, it doesn't make things any easier.

Got a code section on that?


Because I know of this code that says that you have to notify in writing if being shipped to "any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,". If shipped to one of those listed people, no written notification is required.

Now, getting an insurance payment if you violated the carriers regs is different, but you would be ok federally.

Sec. 178.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped:

[RaceDay]

Issues with the carrier's? I think the seller is just blowing smoke up your ***..I have never once had carrier ask more than whats in the package and i reply a long gun and they ask if there is any ammo i reply no done deal..

+1 to that. A lot of what this guy is saying sounds fishy. He should just go to the dang UPS hub and mail the rifle to you.

Either that or have the FFL01 return your rifle and cover all your costs.

[dfletcher]

The sending FFL Dealer probably has no incentive to listen to you, maybe the seller can either convince him or go to a UPS hub & mail the thing directly to you. Hubs send & receive long guns all the time.

Or, foolish as it may sound, have the PA FFL send it to a CA FFL dealer for you? I know - it costs more $$$ and is unneeded, but what else is there to do?