Turners new C&R Policy?

[Grendl]

I found a nice 1960 Winchester 94 today and figured, "I need to add another caliber to the stockpile." So I pulled the trigger.

I went to whip out my C&R and COE and was informed that "Because we're not a C&R dealer, you can't use your license. All firearms are subject to the 10 day waiting period now." I explained the COE and was informed "Things are different now."

I don't know what a "C&R dealer" is and I know that's not the law, but that's the policy at (my?) Turners :-(

[bigbossman]

Store policy aside, if you want it, buy it. You'd have to pay the $19 and register it anyway, so you're out the waiting period and probably $25-$30 for their paperwork.

[Capybara]

It has always been this way in California, the dealer is not obligated by law to honor your FFL03 + COE. The smart dealers will but most dealers aren't smart. FWIW, it happened to me in Arizona last year at a big pawn shop. I had a Mauser 24/47 and a nice little CZ50 all set to go, killer prices, whipped out my FFL03 and the lady who was the manager said no way. It sucked, but oh well, what are going to do, throw a tantrum? There are lots of other gun shops that will honor it.

[Grendl]

Personally, I like the idea of a tantrum ;-)

I did pull the trigger. Can't wait to stock up on my 25th caliber.

[2761377]

since Turner's is a large chain, they have a giant footprint at DOJ. and with our friend Kamala in charge there, Turner's gets extra special attention.

for instance- last year DOJ required an audit of DROS fees collected. they made the accusation that Turner's was under reporting fees. that is why DROS is ringed up separately now.

as much as many actions Turner's takes that anger me, I think we should appreciate their fight against the real enemy CA DOJ.

[Capybara]

True enough. A lot of FFL01 rule douchebaggery can eventually be traced back to our friends at the CADOJ and some of it to the ATF. Up until two years ago, we had a local shop who wouldn't even sell EBRs because he was worried about the legalities. They now sell them but won't touch SSE, AOWs, Trusts or any of the fun stuff.

Jeez Grendl, 25 calibers? I am at 14, I thought that was excessive. No wonder you are coming to our reloading clinic!

[Grendl]

Jeez Grendl, 25 calibers? I am at 14, I thought that was excessive. No wonder you are coming to our reloading clinic!

Can't wait!

[joefrank64k]

That's too bad...so a big +1 to American Gun Works in Glendale!!!

I picked up a Smith-Corona 1903a3 there today, bought and out door with my 03+COE in about 20 minutes, no problem.

[MosinVirus]

I was told by a few dealers that if they didn't record the gun as C&R in their records that they will not be able to sell it as C&R, even if it is really a C&R eligible gun. GunWorld is one of those, Turners is another, as well as some other stores.

[Enfield47]

I thought that the new law says any gun 50 years old is a C&R? What if it's an antique?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I found a nice 1960 Winchester 94 today and figured, "I need to add another caliber to the stockpile." So I pulled the trigger.

I went to whip out my C&R and COE and was informed that "Because we're not a C&R dealer, you can't use your license. All firearms are subject to the 10 day waiting period now." I explained the COE and was informed "Things are different now."

I don't know what a "C&R dealer" is and I know that's not the law, but that's the policy at (my?) Turners :-(

This what I expect to happen at Turners or other such places where the FUD is strong. So I was stupefied and speechless when I bought a 50 + year old rifle once at Turner's and they accepted my FFCLOE* and skipped the DROS,

*My Fat Friend Chloe - An attempt to coin internet slang for the creds you need to conduct C&R business in CA.

[stitchnicklas]

welp..that is the last nail in the coffin for me.

turners wants to have this attitude then they just lost my business with this policy.

i know they wont care or notice....but there are enough dealers in my area and i am getting my 01FFL soon anyway.

eff the bastards

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I was told by a few dealers that if they didn't record the gun as C&R in their records that they will not be able to sell it as C&R, even if it is really a C&R eligible gun. GunWorld is one of those, Turners is another, as well as some other stores.

They are full of carp. There is no way to "record a gun as C&R in their records". C&R status is not recorded in a dealers bound book. They might be confusing C&R status with Antique status.

I thought that the new law says any gun 50 years old is a C&R?

It's not a new law. Guns that are 50 years old have been C&R since 1968, the same year that C&R status was invented.

[Enfield47]

I thought that I had read on here that some guns CA didn't consider as C&R even though they were 50 years old and that the new law requiring registration lifted that restriction.

[SanPedroShooter]

True enough. A lot of FFL01 rule douchebaggery can eventually be traced back to our friends at the CADOJ and some of it to the ATF. Up until two years ago, we had a local shop who wouldn't even sell EBRs because he was worried about the legalities. They now sell them but won't touch SSE, AOWs, Trusts or any of the fun stuff.

Jeez Grendl, 25 calibers? I am at 14, I thought that was excessive. No wonder you are coming to our reloading clinic!

Exactly. I have been around long enough to remember when hardly anyone would sell EBR's, especially Turners.

If I remember right, Turners didn't start selling AR15 pattern rifles until just a few years ago.