In person CMP purchase. ?

[TRICKSTER]

The CMP will still sell to anyone meeting their requirements in person at the North and South Store, or at there events (Phoenix Western Games) no C&R required. Does the new state law require that a non 03 FFL still register that rifle upon return to CA? What form covers this and allows for such registration?

[19K]

Good point. Just renewed my membership and I still have a couple years until I need to redo the background check thing

[Discogodfather]

I would say yes, why would it be any different than any C&R firearm or any modern firearm? You can buy it but not take possession of it. It must be transferred through a FFL in CA. Federal Law says both states rules must be followed, a person may buy from a licensee if the sale complies with the laws of both states involved.

[TRICKSTER]

I would say yes, why would it be any different than any C&R firearm or any modern firearm? You can buy it but not take possession of it. It must be transferred through a FFL in CA. Federal Law says both states rules must be followed, a person may buy from a licensee if the sale complies with the laws of both states involved.

But the CMP is not a licensee. and they operate under a Congressional Charter
They operate under different rules than a FFL.
"The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a U.S. government-chartered program that promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth. Any U.S. citizen who is legally not prohibited from owning a firearm may purchase a military surplus rifle from the CMP, provided they are a member of a CMP affiliated club."

[Discogodfather]

From the CMP newsletter:

California Rifle Purchases. Effective 1 Jan 2014, California residents who order rifles from the CMP must provide FFL information (shipping address) for the licensed firearms dealer in CA to whom the rifle will be shipped.

OR

If they want the rifle shipped to their residence, must provide CMP with a copy of the customer's individual C&R license AND a copy of their current CA Certificate of Eligibility.

[mievil]

The above only applies if you order. He is not talking about ordering.

[glennsche]

The above only applies if you order. He is not talking about ordering.

sure he is, he's just ordering in person, not via the internet.

i would reckon its the same whether you're in person or not; go with FFL/COE, show yer stuff, bring home yer rifle, send off letter/19bucks.

[borderguy]

sure he is, he's just ordering in person, not via the internet.

i would reckon its the same whether you're in person or not; go with FFL/COE, show yer stuff, bring home yer rifle, send off letter/19bucks.

[Eljay]

This has been coming up with New Yorkers and if you meet the requirements and pick it up at the store they're cool with that. You can even have a buyers agent do it if they have the right paperwork.

When you import it into the state, I imagine you would register it just like any other gun you bring back into the state, like if you had picked up something out of state with a C&R license.

[TRICKSTER]

This has been coming up with New Yorkers and if you meet the requirements and pick it up at the store they're cool with that. You can even have a buyers agent do it if they have the right paperwork.

When you import it into the state, I imagine you would register it just like any other gun you bring back into the state, like if you had picked up something out of state with a C&R license.

That's just it, the C&R registration form is a requirement for 03 FFLs only. Prior to 01-01-2014 any CA resident that met CMP qualifications could walk into a CMP store and purchase a rifle to bring back to CA without registering it. You did not need a C&R or COE. A far as I know the change in law for C&R registration mentions 03FFLs not private parties.
You must be a 03 FFL to use the C&R registration form.

[ke6guj]

That's just it, the C&R registration form is a requirement for 03 FFLs only. Prior to 01-01-2014 any CA resident that met CMP qualifications could walk into a CMP store and purchase a rifle to bring back to CA without registering it. You did not need a C&R or COE. A far as I know the change in law for C&R registration mentions 03FFLs not private parties.
You must be a 03 FFL to use the C&R registration form.

there is a slight hole in CA's new long gun registration rules. new resident importers must register and 03's importing C&R long guns must register, but I don't recall seeing anything about existing CA residents who acquire long guns legally out of state and then import them needing to register.

[mievil]

Very interesting. Too bad the stores don't have squat in stock right now. I'd still love to make a road trip out there.

[Eljay]

You must be a 03 FFL to use the C&R registration form.

Well, if they screwed the pooch on that one, so be it. I haven't read the exact text for a while so I have no real opinion on that bit, I was mostly chiming in that it's been established on the CMP forums that if you show up in person they're OK with that.

[justin4fun]

I didn't think without a 03ffl you are legal to import into the state without using an 01 FFL. I have a parent who lives in a cash and carry state. If they give me guns (legal in their state without any paperwork)I am legal to bring them home with me? I don't see how this could be right. If it is I am a fool for not getting these firearms now and don't need to wait till they are mine by a will.

[ke6guj]

I didn't think without a 03ffl you are legal to import into the state without using an 01 FFL. I have a parent who lives in a cash and carry state. If they give me guns (legal in their state without any paperwork)I am legal to bring them home with me? I don't see how this could be right. If it is I am a fool for not getting these firearms now and don't need to wait till they are mine by a will.

you are correct in that your out-of-state parents can't just give you firearms to take back to CA. that would be a federal violation if an FFL wasn't used to facilitate the transfer.

However, the CMP is a special case. they are specifically exempted from the FFL requirement and can sell direct to anyone that meets their requirements. As such, we could have them ship direct to our homes in CA without needing to go through an FFL pre-2014.